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85 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes ago
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renathras
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Has there ever been any consideration give to making a Mig variant like the Emperor's Shuttle from Star Wars? Basically, a small shuttle with a cloaking device and not much else?

Mig Class Stealth Shuttle, or some sort. Fits the Empire's lore, and it would give them something to do early game.

...though I guess the main advantage to such a ship would be intel gathering, and they already have that in the form of the probe. Meh, just a thought.
84 days, 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
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martinr
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It would also give them a cloaking ship which will unbalance the race (unless it's one ship per game).

Feds could also claim cloaking ships through the Defiant.

Best not to give races things they should not have for game ballance.


84 days, 19 hours, 45 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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OR, it could be a Campaign ship option.
You cannot say that Campaign ship lists don't violate the "original game balance" considering they give the Lizards a borderline heavy carrier that is one tick off from being a Rush, and the Borg a heavy cruiser in the model of the Missouri (with time travel)...etc...
84 days, 19 hours, 27 minutes ago
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chanain
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Giving the Empire a cloaker (even a weak one) would be a *huge* shift in game balance.

Cloaked ship + unfuelled SSD is a well-known OP combo.
84 days, 17 hours, 36 minutes ago
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skyliner
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In Empire Strikes Back, when the Millennium Falcon went off the Empires scopes, they said, "No ship that SMALL has a cloaking device". So apparently a ship has to be big enough to have a cloaking device. AND, I would guess the Empire has them, otherwise they wouldn't know what one was.
84 days, 11 hours, 43 minutes ago
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martinr
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And as pointed out a cloaked ship would be a massive boost for the SSD attack.

So its not just film information that counts.
84 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes ago
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renathras
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I did mean it as a campaign (hence "Has there ever been any consideration give to making a Mig variant", as all variants that I'm aware of are campaign researches).

The SSD thing is a good point I hadn't considered, though how often is it that the Empire can't get a cloaking allied ship and do this anyway?

...as for the quote from Empire Strikes Back (lore nerd time): The Emperor's personal shuttle was believed/rumored to have a cloaking device, but normal troops/naval officers wouldn't be aware of it. The only in official canon cloaking device (other than that offhand mention) was of a ship in the Clone Wars CG show, basically a small transport about 90m long and very low profile (basically cigar/submarine shaped with a bank of engines on the back end), roughly 2x the length of the YT-1300 (Millennium Falcon), indicating that ships that small COULD have cloaking devices.

...but that cloaking device was also experimental and only used in that one occasion, meaning that such devices would have been pretty classified.

It's funny that that quote even exists, as we have no evidence in canon or expanded canon/legends that I'm aware of of any class of larger ship actually being fielded with cloaking devices (a CR90 Correllian Corvette/Blockade Runner was fitted with an experimental one in the final campaign of TIE Fighter the game, but it was unstable at hyperspeed and exploded, and that campaign arc/mission was concurrent with the Battle of Endor, with the final debriefing talking about how we were awaiting word of the Emperor's most-certain success and glorious triumph over the Rebellion...)

So the quote itself is kind of funny if you think about it.

It should be noted that the cloaked prototype transport was from the Galactic Republic, before the Emperor reorganized it into the Empire, meaning the Rebels might have known about or had access to it, but neither seems to have fielded it in the war.

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As for the Defiant - that's technically a borrowed Romulan cloak. Not only that...I'm not sure the Diplomacy class REALLY fits the Defiant. Sure, a cloaking Diplomacy would be awesome, but if I was to give the Feds a cloaking ship, I'd do it with the Vendetta. FAR more balanced due to the more fragile (and easily capturable) Vendetta...and that the Lizards already have a cloaking variant, meaning in VGAP lore, it being part of the "technology exchange" between the Feds and Lizards (Feds give Lizards Loki and a handful of ship designs, Lizards gave Feds...what, nothing back..?) would actually make a lot of sense (Feds give Lizards Loki - ability to detect cloaks - and Lizards give Feds a crappy cloak on a weak hull? That sounds at least a little more reasonable.)
84 days, 7 hours, 13 minutes ago
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gnerphk
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The balance in an Imperial cloak is that, in order to gain cloakers, the Empire needs to swap SSDs for them. This is why it's called "balance".