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1861 days, 15 hours, 19 minutes ago

donaldworrell (The Feds)

I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight is in danger.

1861 days, 15 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

I recently had some difficulties too, when I was in Vegas :(

I'm afraid we'll have to ask Joshua to significantly up the timeout threshold. If you have a sick game like ours where the diplomacy data alone takes around half a minute to load, things can get very unpleasant.

Donald: Please confirm if/when you can make the game work. If not, say so, and I'll warn BB and ask Joshua to adjust things.

1861 days, 9 hours, 50 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

Hi BB!

Sorry to bother you again, but could you please have an eye on DH3? Donald and me have been having problems with timeouts lately, the mass of information (messages I think) can lead to timeouts on slower links.

If Donald hasn't confirmed his move, could you please give a 24h extension? I'll have to talk to Joshua to up the timeout threshold.

Thanks!

Mentar

1861 days, 9 hours, 31 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

this needs to go directly to him, he doesnt receive it like this

1861 days, 9 hours, 29 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

I've already mailed and PMed it to him, and I've also contacted Joshua, too. However, I'm sure that the other DH3 players should also be kept up to date.

1861 days, 7 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

do go. I can not get the game to load on my iPad. it goes to the teasing to screen and halts. I know it is stuck because the browser cancel button is a reload button instead. if you press reload then a little window pops up which just says "error"

so 5 hours to host and I can not do any thing.

the problem is the size of this game. I have a second game that loads fine. so

Sent from my iPade

1861 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

Renewed my calls for help to BB and Joshua. J-Zan also hasn't even looked at his move.

I hope we can get this resolved. It would REALLY suck otherwise.

1861 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

FYI: This is a game with pauses - I rushed my turn in (to be safe), but my voice is fine with the pause.

1860 days, 23 hours, 44 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

Well, this was a highly unsatisfactory outcome. 2 players can't place their turns for technical reasons, 1 player having to rush it, neither BB nor Joshua available for a pause (not blaming them, to be clear), and whoops, we still have a host.

Result: An extremely frustrated Donald is telling me that for him, this game is over. And I would lying if I said I don't understand him - the game has been increasingly unstable for me, too. There is no "rollback" option in the game, but before we resume playing, we at least need to have the technical aspects fixed, and once we have that, we need to find out if Donald is willing to continue, or if we need to hunt for a replacement. If Smn/Lizzy/Valhalla/Iso--t/Toennie would offer their thoughts, I'd be happy.

Aaaaand just to top it off: While I'm surveying the damage, lightning strikes, and the resulting power surge fries my cable modem, my switch and my firewall (at least my reserve hardware still worked). I guess I better don't leave the house today to avoid being killed by a piano dropping from above.

1860 days, 23 hours, 2 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

this will continue to be an issue. either this server side issue gets fixed or we are wasting our time.

Sent from my iPad

1860 days, 21 hours, 40 minutes ago

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Hey, I'm currently traveling with very limited internet, I can submit my next turn if absolutely needed but would be happy with a pause too.

Mentar, DW, respect to you guys for sticking with the in-game interface, the 'kitchen sink' moved all comms to other channels almost a year ago..

1860 days, 21 hours, 2 minutes ago

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my mistake not checking in if the game was actually put on hold. unlike last turn, this was solely a human errr from my side. so sorry.

due to the recent shift in the technological curve i would suggest we the enemies of kitchen sink transfer all comms to emergency channels too--for good or at least until all is clear.

but i would love to be able to eaves drop on the message traffic of every one after the game is finished so this is dissapointing too.

1860 days, 20 hours, 55 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

Losing that log is a bit of a disappointment, but it is primarily an issue with the sites own messaging system being far too limited for what alliance coordinating needs ..

I've been toying with the idea of sharing some of those chat logs once the game is done, there are some really interesting planning sessions there.

1860 days, 12 hours, 38 minutes ago

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Hi everyone,

as said, I will be going to the Alps this Wed for a 2.5 weeks vacation - and as we are hiking most of the time, I can't take my Notebook.

As I guess my the remaining lifetime of my sweet Birdmen in DH3 is very limited due to races attacking me that are immune to starbases and unless mentar doesn't start a big surprise attack on jzan and smn, I am fine if you all decide to go on (I'll then switch to holiday mode) but would also appreciate a pause. I will finish this turn right before Wednesday - and the next one I can do will be after August, 16th.

hope the technical issues are solved soon -
toennie

PS: I tried to find a replacement but couldnt - if you know someone, I am happy to hand over for 2.5 weeks.

1860 days, 10 hours, 27 minutes ago

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I generally don't use the Nu messaging system to communicate with allies after initial contact. In game messages are limited in use and have not evolved much if any over time. Team "kitchen sink" has used two different modern msg systems since what now seems like the dawn of time.

This game has gone on for a very very long time. I'd personally rather start a new game than play games past turn 100. In our game, there is no end in sight. . . Your mileage may vary but I wish we had an additional victory condition of highest scores, without allies (so you have to somewhat stand on your own 2 feet), at turn X in all DH games. I'd like X to be 75 but turn 100 will do. I like DH games since the quit rate is low (having said that, my xtal allie in DH is on player 3 already!) but DH doesn't need to mean we let games drag on into the flogging a dead horse phase and beyond. If we keep going, the winner is often determined by the person/team that has the least allies drop or can get the best replacements - which has little to do with in game skill.

When turns are delayed, I would like them delayed in 24 hour increments, so they are due at the same time every night. Not sure if it was this DH game, but I've missed a few turns due to earlier restart times. This might have been DH9.

I will be hiking part of the Appalachian trail from Aug 2nd to 16th. I did find a replacement but of course, prefer to play my turns myself.

Dont read to much into this. I'm not going away. Waiting for me to quit is a lost cause. However, at times I feel like I'm flogging a dead horse. Its worth it for me to play in games that don't have a lot of quitters. But I don't think we need to make it this hard for DH games to come to an end.

-V-

1860 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

Sorry all, I was out in the country clearing brush yesterday, so didn't get the pause requests. I haven't yet put the game on hold, but it looks like that will be the best option, at least for a bit while technical issues are sorted out. So let me look at things and try to sort out what might be the best options, and I'll get back to you.

1859 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

Hi guys,

no response from Joshua so far. Trying again...

Mentar

1859 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

Correction! Joshua just responded to me. He is currently travelling and considering possible solutions to the problem. It may take a bit of time however.

Didn't we want to take a break anyway? When exactly was that planned for?

1858 days, 17 hours, 0 minutes ago

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i will be out of order from august 15th to 23rd for some dinghy sailing, which happens to be a pretty wet business far away from the next hotspot - if we can expand the pause until the second last august weekend i would not be too sad ..

like you all know i enjoy this game and its knife fights very much, but i can stand a longer pause and use the available time for other important things - and still restart with the same excitement.

1857 days, 20 hours, 24 minutes ago

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Usually I like games ending in a reasonable time. But this sector is allready so legendary, that I wish it wont give "easy victory" for anyone :)

1857 days, 15 hours, 19 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

So, is the verdict that we're moving into our "August Pause"?

Why doesn't everyone respond the following:
a. I object to the pause.
b. I have no objection to the pause, but I don't need it.
c. I need a pause from DATE XXXX to DATE XXXX.

Then we can just formalize the time frame and make sure we have everyone's input.

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I'll start: I have no objection to the pause, but I don't need it.

1857 days, 13 hours, 6 minutes ago

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Technically I don't need the pause from Aug 2 to 15th as I was successful in finding a replacement player that I trust. However, I'd prefer to play my own turns. Since there are a lot of us (Toennie, Thin, Val) with rl breaks, it seems wise to pause at least from Aug 2nd (now given the other issues) to 24th if we want to continue this very long campaign.

-V-

1857 days, 12 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

And I, as the potential temp, would rather not do the turns if i don't have to ;)

Busy busy busy...

1856 days, 23 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

b. I have no objection to the pause, but I don't need it.

1856 days, 22 hours, 0 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

this will continue to be an issue. either this server side issue gets fixed or we are wasting our time.

Sent from my iPad

1856 days, 19 hours, 2 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

I have made an update to the API to only load messages from the last 20 turns. Let me know if that works and I will restart the game.

1856 days, 18 hours, 55 minutes ago

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No unplanned game restart, please! We'll discuss that with the others and then let BB do that.

Let's wait for feedback from Donald.

1856 days, 17 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

(b 2.0) I dont need a pause but could use one for few weeks early AUG - mid AUG (summer vacation and fickle connection over mobile phone)

and yeah, no surprise unpauses!

1856 days, 15 hours, 16 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

OK, so far it seems that everyone is accepting of a long break until about the 24th of August. So I'm planning to just leave this game paused until then. Just think of it as half-time! That should also give Donald plenty of time to try out Joshua's messaging fix. Then, with everyone's summer activities behind us, we can move on to the next year and a half of play!

1856 days, 8 hours, 0 minutes ago

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Thanks!

1855 days, 22 hours, 13 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

the game now loads.

will we redo host ?

have to actually do a turn to see if it is stable.

Sent from my iPad

1855 days, 15 hours, 31 minutes ago

RE: I can not get the game to load. looks like host tonight...

Heading out for vacation very soon. Whatever we decide, I don't have time now but will when I'm back. Does Nu generally redo hosts when there are problems or just move forward? Redoing gets tricky as players will have tipped their hand as to their intentions; this may not matter much or may matter quite a bit. I'm up for whatever the group decides as long as it doesn't happen now.