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1814 days, 1 hours, 44 minutes ago

toxis142 (The Cyborg)

I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's not this quiet on the activity feed for this game moving forward, I seem to remember seeing betting threads associated with the other champ games. Maybe the rest of the community want to share their thoughts? Anyone have the format from one of those?

1814 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

May be they need the time to study their race guides properly :-)

1814 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

Well I don't have the turn notification anymore but I think turn 5 was ran last Thursday (?) and we've been stuck at turn 6 for ages :D

1813 days, 23 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

@Ville: Well, you can be sure that the one who is responsible for the delay will be the most time the one who is first out! So i want give you a tipp. Track the weak one and ... happy hunting! :)

1813 days, 21 hours, 23 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

To some extent I disagree that a turn 6 takes 5 minutes on champ level. You already know a bunch of planets and you're able to plan for base 2 and maybe even 3. Fact is that one suboptimal early game move is many times as harmnful as one suboptimal mid game move. Nevertheless, 1 to 3 hours should be enough.
But if diplomacy has already started and messages are crossing time zones then one, two days are often too short to discuss something in depth.

1813 days, 20 hours, 59 minutes ago

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@Emork: I disagree. Huge diplomacy in Planets only bring out the bad side of a player! Betrayment and frustration only follows from slimy words here! :)

So my suggestion to the honored player of this match are this:

1. attack/kill the one who try to use you against other because he tell the other player all time the same!
2. dont follow the call of any leader something like a coalition. Play for you own goal only!
3. if you hear that a player tell you in the beginning that he can't win a champ match and he want help you then simply attack and kill this wimp!
4. if you are beaten, then simply ACCEPT that you are beaten. No need to be somebody's pet!

Follow this simple rulez and i promise you a much better and faster champion match and a exciting game play!

1813 days, 20 hours, 52 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

Haha, the Borg, of course ... :)

1813 days, 20 hours, 23 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

I completely agree with Ted. Diplomacy only works because some people let it work - and usually not for their benefit. Silver tongues should be cut out and fed to barking dogs.

1813 days, 20 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

Haha loving the last few comments. interesting to see the mindset of people. VK I now understand a lot more :)

But seriously it is killing me coming back to refresh the game page and still see us stuck not moving onto next turn! come on guys lets get some momentum please.

Toxis you are also right it has been quiet. I was hoping for a betting thread, Emork that is traditionally your responsibility as reigning Emperor. Always good to see the banter and different views on players...lets get one started, theres still time!

On reflectiong I think we have been drowned in new info at same time. Planets Con, Joshua's Queue solution. Mentor v Midshipman and Godzilla oh and a new champ game :)

I personally think it is the responsibility of the actual players in the game to bring it to life for observers! who is going to make a play for crowd favorite? surely with this much time between turns there is opportunity to prepare some material for the thread? (Halion goes away to hastily heed his own advice...)

1813 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

Empire, status reports:
Turn 1: Nothing to report
Turn 2: Nothing to report
Turn 3: Nothing to report
Turn 4: Nothing to report
Turn 5: Nothing to report
Turn 6: Nothing to report
Turn 7: Waiting for data

1813 days, 18 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

With FoF in the mix, you probably want to consider defending your early set of planets tooth and nail. I would likely build SB's on every planet within 3 turns of the homeworld. These turns are going to take time to work out as you need to make sure your planets are well defended and the minerals are on the move.

1813 days, 18 hours, 30 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

Not really, if you fall to 5 planets which is the current FoF limit, you don't have much to defend and have lost. In zero ally games there is only one winner and 10 losers, doesn't really matter in which order you lose :)

1813 days, 18 hours, 3 minutes ago

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

In my opinion the FoF will not help much in cases where it should help or people think it would help. I only can repeat what others have already written: if one player wants to keep the technology of another race in the game, he just can give him 5 or 15 or ... planets.

But this discussion again shows us, how different people argue in the public and play in a game. In the Capricon War the Fed was the first one who drops below the 5 planets mark - at turn 63. He have now t112, so after the host run today 50 turns later!

But with the FoF rules, the Borg would just have given the Fed earlier some planets. The FoF would not have changed to game very much.

Of cause I can understand that people try to stay in the game until the end. It is correct that in a zero ally game there can be only one winner. But I would not debase the others as losers. And in my opinion it is of cause also a difference whether you end at e.g. rank 3 or rank 10.

But I am very curious about how our brothers in the Leo War will handle the FoF topic

1813 days, 18 hours, 0 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

You can end up high in end easily by bending over.

But, in my opinion the player who dies/gets beaten down in scores attacking the winner did better than the one taking it in.

1813 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

... and I hope we don't have many people who are afraid to take a shot because they want to "end rank 3" instead of going down (or up) guns blazing.

1813 days, 17 hours, 30 minutes ago

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There is no hard border. I believe that even a beaten down player has under certain circumstances the change to end up as winner. Let us take Capricorn. As far as I know there has had been times, where Ciocco has got 75% of the cubes from Ted. What if Ciocco would have e.g. made an agreement with the Robot, that he would get Colonists for new conquered planets. Then not giving back the cubes to Ted this would be a nice twist where Fed and Robot would have again great chances.

1813 days, 17 hours, 29 minutes ago

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

:)

1813 days, 17 hours, 16 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

Thats called 'taking a shot' ;)

1813 days, 17 hours, 15 minutes ago

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@Othrym: As i told already, any action produce a reaction in this pet case. And you are wrong if FoF-15 take place here. With this amount of planets you need to give 20+ planets to prevent that a pet get take out by a hidden Cloaker attack for example. Of course, in Capricon each member of the coalition would provide like 5 planet to the crystal pet to keep this race in even with FoF-15 if this were a game option. BUT this is not a failure of FoF. It's more a terribe failure - and strange ingame behavior - of the some player...

1813 days, 16 hours, 53 minutes ago

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@Ted: Sorry, I do not see you point. At the beginning the EE made an agreement with the Lizards to attack me. Fair enough - that's the game. Meanwhile the Klingons attack the Fed together with others. That's also the game. There is no magic number of allowed attackers. Of cause it can be discussed, whether it is very heroic to nuke a single player with many race advantages.
But the same question can arise, if one player uses good diplomacy to "buy" foreign technology. Why should there be a difference whether diplomcy is used to buy technology/products (Cloakers, Poppers, Lokis) or services (just the same but without ship trade)?

As far as I can see most players that like FoF and complain about "pets" are just the ones that buy technology at the beginning and then want to prevent that others make the same deal.

If you want a "real" FoF and take the advantages of a race out of the game if the player has not enough "support"/plaents left, then destroy with the player that crosses the mark and gets the auto-nuke out of the game really all of him. So also the ships that he has build in the game - and traded to someone else.

1813 days, 14 hours, 0 minutes ago

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@Othrym:
You try to argue like a jurist :)
I want try to tell you why you miss my point. But first, i want gratulate you again that you could arise from zero starbases again to 80 SBs. First time i saw a true non Borg resurecction in planets and this 'Comeback' is really very unusual and this count double for the Birdmen in a champion match! I think i did send you my thoughts about the true reasons already. You will call it diplomacy where you "buy/sell" something like contracts because we can't call the fight against the poor EE in Capricon really a war. We both know that it was only possible because all your first and second and third range neihbours fighting the Borg since the fall of your homeworld. Sometimes the luck is strong in some player i want say! :)

But to the 'pet' point. Without FoF it was not possible to take out a race because it's really easy to escape to other races and in Capricon it was more easier because of EE Probes and Falcons. We all know in Capricon that Crystal will never make a Comeback with the left 15 ships/planets. On the other side, if you look on the Fed he own the 3th best military score and even the best battle fleet combat value now. You see the huge differnce? :) Borg really PAY for his protection service while 5 other races simply use the mighty web weapon without really need ot pay. So, beside that the Klingon in Capricon did disrespect the Fed Player with his 6 races attack, the Fed could be able to make really Comback if this ugly coalition construct ever break off. Maybe the Fed want only have his revenge against the klingon but at least his goal is not the one that he only play to prevent that the Borg wins. So again, i would like to give away half of my cubes if all pets jump out of a champion game! However, i fear i one more year inside of this ... nice match :)

1813 days, 12 hours, 32 minutes ago

unknown

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

I love to see one games internal carnage roll over to external factors and continue over other games

(in the meantime I'm grabbing my nachos)

1813 days, 0 hours, 34 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

Place your bets for this war at

http://play.planets.nu/#/activity/1532449

1812 days, 16 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

Many thanks Emperor Emork for the betting thread! I almost got out my cane... ;)

I too rejoice in seeing championship players arguments spilling over from one game feed into the next.
Needless to say, I think if you look at the Capricorn war planet distribution, 15 planets is *not* trivial. My personal preference was 15 after turn 30 but Joshua is nervous of a steam-roller effect (like his present gumball game).

TED: Imagine Othrym as a pirate? ;)

1812 days, 3 hours, 59 minutes ago

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@DM:
yes, FoF 15 should be default. But maybe it will be set in later games i think.

Othrym as Pirate? You did well in your champion match to seperate his ships in all parts of the map. He is more a 'pen keeper' who like that other work for him. Yes, this skill he proved really! People like him or Gnerphk and Co really believe that planets need to play fully on the diplomacy side. And people like you and me and some other know that the sword can be stronger than the pen in planets. Since you did tryy to teach him this as Borg already in the first champion match i will finish his study about this lession in Capricon! :)

1811 days, 8 hours, 32 minutes ago

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Ted, the pen can be stronger than the sword, and the sword can be stronger than the pen. Both seem true...

...I think you are forgetting that the purse trumps both the sword and the pen.

1804 days, 11 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

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1804 days, 10 hours, 49 minutes ago

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Oh, for an edit button... :o)

When will you guys learn to add spaces between your blocks of eight? *sigh* It's so much like work...

1804 days, 10 hours, 44 minutes ago

redphoenixchaos

RE: I know it's only been a little over a week but I hope it's...

Out of Character:

Yeah, if you are not cutting and pasting that into a binary to text editor, you are nuts.

I recommend: http://www.roubaixinteractive.com/PlayGround/Binary_Conversion/Binary_To_Text.asp

It should help a lot. :)

And besides, Robots need no stinking spaces between their blocks of eight!

1803 days, 17 hours, 14 minutes ago

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1803 days, 17 hours, 8 minutes ago

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The editing looked a liiiiiiitttle different before i hit the "post" button. :)