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133 days, 20 hours, 50 minutes ago
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talespin
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Interested in a tournament? Sign up for Nu Dogfights!

These dogfights will be 8-player melee battles on tiny maps with only 50 planets!

(NOT AN APRIL FOOLS JOKE!)

Tournament Details:

*Tournament setup may change depending on how many players sign up. Hoping to get 32 players to make 4 Pools.

Round One:
Pools of 8 players will be created, randomly chosen.
Each Pool plays 3 games.
Players receive points based on where they rank: 1st 8pts, 2nd 7pts, 3rd 6pts, etc.

Round Two:
According to points earned, the bottom 16 players will be eliminated.
New Pools of 8 will be created, randomly chosen.
Each Pool plays 3 games.
Players receive points based on where they rank: 1st 8pts, 2nd 7pts, 3rd 6pts, etc.

Round Three:
According to points earned, the bottom 8 players will be eliminated.
The final Pool of 8 players plays 3 games.
Players receive points based on where they rank: 1st 8pts, 2nd 7pts, 3rd 6pts, etc.

*In the event of ties, a private head-to-head (1v1) mini-game will decide the winner.

The winner of the tournament will have the most points in Round Three.

Game Details:
Standard Rules
Fight or Fail +1 every 3 turns
Stealth Score
No cloning
Extended Alchemy FCs
BDx FCs
Direct Transfer MCs
Direct Transfer Ammo
Public Games, stats are tracking, and Achievement points are earned

Map Details:
450x450
HW Circular position
HW <81 2
HW <162 3
Other Planets 30
Total Planets 50
No Stellar Cartography

Player Details:
Allies 0
Shared Intel 0
Safe Passage 0
User Chooses their race
No Horwasp

Honour Rules:
No giving ships
No renaming ships
No communication in chat, outside of the game, or in public chat
No alliances
133 days, 20 hours, 26 minutes ago
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siggi
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I would sign up for this.
133 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes ago
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ninjabunny
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If I knew what I was doing I would too.
133 days, 19 hours, 32 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Ninjabunny With 50 planets between 8 players, it's going to be a bloody bloody dogfight -> close-quarters, quick games. You could see combat within the first couple of turns. The furthest you would have to travel is 300-400 light years. That means that there will less logistics involved and more lasers flying. If you know how to build a ship, you know all you need to:)
133 days, 19 hours, 20 minutes ago
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acollingwood
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I would join this. Sounds fun
133 days, 18 hours, 56 minutes ago
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morgens
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Hell yea that sounds like a blast. Love blitz games anyways, right into the action!
133 days, 17 hours, 39 minutes ago
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frostriese
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I will join.
133 days, 16 hours, 22 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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You are crazy.
The Q is, how crazy am I...

(or, creative ways to subscribe to a thread)
133 days, 16 hours, 15 minutes ago
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theclerk
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I would join too
133 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes ago
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qinic
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Sounds hardcore, interrested but probably not before I got kicked from at least one of my games
133 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes ago
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glyn
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I can't even guess what to do as a Crystal in this scenario.
133 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Qinic I don't plan to start the games until I get a solid group of people. hopefully 32! :D I imagine you'll have time.
133 days, 13 hours, 10 minutes ago
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talespin
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Player Update:

Signed Up:
Siggi
Acollingwood
Morgens
Frostriese
Theclerk

Showing Interest:
Ninjabunny
Mcnimble?
Qinic
Glyn?
133 days, 11 hours, 57 minutes ago
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treat
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Okay, I'm in. This seems like the right size game to satisfy my itch for a 3rd game.
133 days, 9 hours, 36 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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Put me in, coach!
133 days, 7 hours, 54 minutes ago
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panzerleader
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Count me in !
133 days, 3 hours, 59 minutes ago
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sirad
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How long will this tournament take after start (just a rough estimate will do)
133 days, 3 hours, 33 minutes ago
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frostriese
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my last blitz was finished after 50 turns. I checked the finished games list - most blitz games with 4-8 players was done with 60-75 turns.

Normally a blitz turn takes not that much time as a normal game turn ... expect 3-5 turns per week.
133 days, 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
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sirad
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Count me in
133 days, 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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@Talespin: I must tell you, that I hate your creative hosting ideas, they are far too tempting and I don't have time ... grrrrr ... alright, I'm in. But under protest! :-)
133 days, 2 hours, 44 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Sirad You are free to pick your races, except for Horwasp.

There will be a Fixed 80 turns for all games, but the maps will be 450x450 with 50 planets and 8 players (I would have done 1v1 games, but for the games to be public you need 8 players.). I can't see the games taking the full Fixed 80 turns. There will be a scheduled 3 turns per week.

@Cylon_X I protest myself sometimes and literally slap my hands from joining new games...sometimes.
133 days, 2 hours, 42 minutes ago
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talespin
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Player Update:

Signed Up:
Siggi
Acollingwood
Morgens
Frostriese
Theclerk
Talespin
Cylon_X
Sirad
Panzerleader
Admiral_Tightpants
Treat

Showing Interest:
Ninjabunny
Mcnimble?
Qinic
Glyn?


*I'll put out a sample game later this morning.
133 days, 2 hours, 42 minutes ago
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sirad
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Great opportunity to speed up my snailish playing style.
133 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes ago
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robber baron
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In.
133 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes ago
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sirad
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If a pool of 8 players is chosen do I have to stick to my pick for all 3 games

Do I have to stick to my pick for the complete turney

Wo picks first?
133 days, 1 hours, 37 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Sirad I thought about making a rule to stick to your one race, but I decided people would enjoy it more if they could pick whatever.

I think I will make race choice blind. Once the Pools are made, I'll get people to send me their race choice and I'll post them all at the same time, and then I will give out the password for the game.
133 days, 1 hours, 36 minutes ago
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talespin
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New players are welcome in this tournament as well!
133 days, 1 hours, 19 minutes ago
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sirad
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If you could change your pick you could adapt to the opponent hmm sounds great
133 days, 1 hours, 14 minutes ago
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frostriese
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I assume that you can change your pick between the rounds not after Talespin publish the racepick for a round ^^
133 days, 1 hours, 5 minutes ago
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sirad
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@frostriese

That was what I was suggesting. Play one round afterwards you found out bird is no good pick for such setup choose bot :)
133 days, 1 hours, 0 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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Clarificaftion: Before each round or before each game?
133 days, 0 hours, 53 minutes ago
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sirad
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@mcnimble:

Good point!
133 days, 0 hours, 50 minutes ago
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frostriese
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>> Clarificaftion: Before each round or before each game?

before each game --> more excitement ...
before one round --> less complexity and more elaborated race picks ^^

I would stick to one race for a round.
133 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes ago
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talespin
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Before each game.

This is the order of what I plan to do (assuming 32 players):

1. Ask someone else to randomly choose the Pools of 8.
2. Publish the Pools for Round 1.
3. Create 4 games and attach a Pool to each game, so players can see the map they will be playing in.
4. Ask each player to send me a private message with their race choice for Game 1.
5. All at the same time, publish race choices for all the Pools.
6. Give out passwords for Game 1, and let the mayhem ensue.
7. When all games are complete, publish a points total.
8. Create 4 new games and attach a Pool to each game, so players can see the map they will be playing.
9. Ask each player to send me a...
and so on...restart at step 1 for Round 2.
133 days, 0 hours, 0 minutes ago
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talespin
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@McNimble You keep showing interest and asking good questions. Are you in? :D
132 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes ago
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mursu
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I'm a bit worried how much time this will take. Or more so how long time. If one game takes around 50 turns, the tournament is over after 450 turns. Add in some delay between games and we are talking about a three year project. Maybe longer. Pretty ambitious!

So first I'd suggest daily turns until forever.

Second suggestion would be that the points you score from the first 2 rounds are kept. If you want to give more value for the later rounds, maybe use a small multiplier (like 1.2) during round 2 and slighty bigger (like 1.4) during round 3. Then every game remains meaningful.

Otherwise it does not promote good play on early rounds and would potentially make the last games of a round something you can throw away (like if you have enough points for a qualification already) thus affecting the scores of other players. Better to encourage everyone to play for the win all the time.
132 days, 23 hours, 10 minutes ago
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quasimodoh!
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I'm in if there is still space.
132 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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Assuming normal moment of victory, first player to conquer 20 planets wins (8 players might modify the default?)
FYI, with a FoF of +1/3, that's after 60(!) turns.

Most players will have a break before the next game.

Daily turns with 20 planets max sounds doable - but having no break during the week for something so intense... no thanks.

With potentially 16 points for the leader, possible worst score is 8 points for everybody else (7+1, 6+2, etc). In that case, the player can loose, score 17 points and win. The most unlikely part is that after two games, the second place has only 8 points. Even 7+3 will force the first place to make at least 3 points, in which case the player cannot slack - there simply is no buffer with only 50 planets.
132 days, 21 hours, 57 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Mursu @Mcnimble Your thoughts are very valid, and I'm considering your suggestions. I do want to avoid stressing people out, so the games aren't meant to be daily "blitz" games. On the other hand, I don't want them to take three years. lol

I could increase host runs to 4 per week.

I anticipate games will be over before Turn 40, so about 2 months per game, about 6 months per round, 1.5 years. That is a bit ambitious and I suppose it could take longer if a player has trouble holding 20 planets, but I think it will be exciting. My hope is the whole thing will be done over a year, and it will give people something to talk about at the Con!

With FoF +1/3, I think that gives an option to knock out players, it keeps players needing to attack, and it doesn't drastically knock out players all at once. By Turn 31, FoF will hit 10 planets, so that will be a lot of pressure to keep moving forward.

There will be no breaks between games, except to wait for the other games to finish. However, I will leave a 1-2 week break between Rounds.


@Mursu I'll think more on the point system.
132 days, 21 hours, 37 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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I'll make your life even harder ;)

With e.g. FoF reaching 7, it is entirely possible that two players with 6 planets die at the same time.

You'll need a way to deal with ties, either by breaking them on something else (military score? #planets in earlier turns? #bases? vote of the other players?) or splitting the points (two players each 1.5 pt or some such).

Nice one about warning messages from the docs: "incremental Fight or Fail is activated immediately (even though warning messages aren't sent out until after turn 10)."
132 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes ago
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mursu
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It is very easy to split the points if both have the same score at the end or are eliminated at the same time. So for example two players who tie 2nd place would both get (7+6)/2=6.5 points.
132 days, 20 hours, 18 minutes ago
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turssi
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Count me in.
132 days, 20 hours, 13 minutes ago
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talespin
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Player Update:

Signed Up:
Siggi
Acollingwood
Morgens
Frostriese
Theclerk
Talespin
Cylon_X
Sirad
Panzerleader
Admiral_Tightpants
Treat
Robber_Baron
Turssi

Showing Interest:
Ninjabunny
Mcnimble
Qinic
Glyn
Mursu
132 days, 20 hours, 10 minutes ago
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quasimodoh!
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And me!
132 days, 20 hours, 0 minutes ago
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emork the lizard king
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Nice idea, Talespin. If you choose to give points for each place then the sectors will become easier to win. At some point it makes more sense to kick out smaller empires than to continue attacking the leader. That's not what I want to see in standard games but for this tournament it might be helpful because it makes the games quicker. Just have it in mind and don't complain if such a strategic decision kills you.

Having short games is crucial. The past Blitz tournaments were a great experience but really exhausting. Even with 10 planets and 15 ships you can spend unlimited time in a turn and still optimize it further.
132 days, 19 hours, 1 minutes ago
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sirad
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'The past Blitz tournaments were a great experience but really exhausting. Even with 10 planets and 15 ships you can sink unlimited time in a turn and still optimize it further.'

The first thought is always the best. And if that dont fit, Commander DAMNLUCK fills the gaps for me :-)
132 days, 18 hours, 33 minutes ago
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ndek
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Talespin, count me in.
132 days, 16 hours, 48 minutes ago
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whisperer
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@Talespin,

If you'd like to participate in this, you'll need someone else to do the details of putting the players into pools and generating games. It's not that people don't trust you, it's a matter of putting yourself beyond suspicion of manipulating the environment.

If you need someone to do this, I can help.
132 days, 16 hours, 43 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Whisperer I agree. I had already asked Joshua if he'd draw the Pools for me, but I haven't heard back yet. Of course, if he doesn't have the time, your help would be welcome.
132 days, 16 hours, 36 minutes ago
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j-zan
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Ya know, I'll be honest - I think this sort of format doesn't cater to my strengths as a player...... I feel like I might just be demolished in a format like this.


*tentatively* count me in?
132 days, 16 hours, 26 minutes ago
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talespin
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@J-Zan 87% of people from each pool will be demolished :D
132 days, 16 hours, 25 minutes ago
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robber baron
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Count me in for being demolished.
131 days, 19 hours, 38 minutes ago
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strixy
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Count me in.

If the only true loss is the one you learn nothing from then I have a feeling I'll learn big, real big. I might even be the first one to learn something. ;)
131 days, 19 hours, 8 minutes ago
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ninjabunny
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DONT CARE or want to see this all the time /ignore
131 days, 18 hours, 33 minutes ago
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morgan kell
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I'd like to join.
131 days, 16 hours, 8 minutes ago
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talespin
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Player Update:

Signed Up:
Siggi
Acollingwood
Morgens
Frostriese
Theclerk
Talespin
Cylon_X
Sirad
Panzerleader
Admiral_Tightpants
Treat
Robber_Baron
Turssi
Quasimodoh!
Ndek
J-Zan
Morgan_Kell
Strixy

Showing Interest (directly or indirectly):
Mcnimble
Qinic
Glyn
Mursu
Emork_the_Lizard_King
Whisperer

Doesn't Care:
Ninjabunny
131 days, 16 hours, 3 minutes ago
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talespin
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That's 18 players signed up! I only need 14 more to get the number I was aiming for!
131 days, 15 hours, 2 minutes ago
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gwendolin
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I'm going to kill
131 days, 14 hours, 55 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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Count me in as cannon fodder, Talespin!

(I'm in, but have low expectations for coming in for the top tier-- but make no mistake-- I shall fight!)
131 days, 14 hours, 5 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Gwendolin That means you're in, right?
131 days, 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
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siggi
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Or planning murder?
131 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes ago
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solrust
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I will sign up.

131 days, 8 hours, 6 minutes ago
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gwendolin
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Yes
131 days, 3 hours, 56 minutes ago
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whisperer
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> Showing Interest (directly or indirectly):
> Whisperer

Just to be clear, I'm interested in helping you with the Tournament, but I'm not interested in playing in it.
131 days, 2 hours, 57 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Gwendolin "Yes" to the tournament or the murder? O.o

@Whisperer I figured. :)
130 days, 19 hours, 54 minutes ago
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talespin
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I just ran a test game with myself and 8 computer players. Four players were knocked out on Turn 13. I killed two homeworlds, and 2 dropped below the rising Fight or Fail mark. I was 7 planets from winning. Of course that was computer players, but it still showed that these games can be pretty fast. I think it's going to be exciting...potentially devastating, but exciting :D
130 days, 19 hours, 30 minutes ago
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strixy
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I would be down for playing in a test game on Friday night from about 8:30 pm MDT (-6). Maybe setup a Slack, Discord, Hangouts or Skype so we can PYFT one another ;) ?
129 days, 22 hours, 35 minutes ago
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talespin
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22 players signed up!

After running some test games, it's my feeling that these games are going to be over more quickly than people might think, probably between Turns 15-20. I'd be surprised if they went past Turn 30, although it could happen with a stand off between 2-3 strong players. (Guard your homeworld people! lol)

I don't want to rush this, so I'm going to advertise the tournament for the weekend and then next week I will decide on how to proceed after that. I'd like to have 24 at the very least, so the pools are even. 32 players is the ultimate goal. The tournament might begin after Easter weekend (April 15th or later).

I'm also re-imaging the scoring system. I may model it after the FIFA World Cup, but I want to run some numbers and contemplate the scenarios that have been suggested to me.



Player Update:

Signed Up:
Siggi
Acollingwood
Morgens
Frostriese
Theclerk
Talespin
Cylon_X
Sirad
Panzerleader
Admiral_Tightpants
Treat
Robber_Baron
Turssi
Quasimodoh!
Ndek
J-Zan
Morgan_Kell
Strixy
Jonnydoh
Gwendolin
Solrust
Gwendolin (he also signed up for murder - I'm a little wary of what that means...)

Still doesn't care:
Ninjabunny

*Please let me know if I missed anyone!
129 days, 22 hours, 26 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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Let's go crazy.
I'm in.
129 days, 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
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lord_kelemvor
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Count me in too.
128 days, 22 hours, 34 minutes ago
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talespin
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Nu Dogfights Point System 2.0

32 Players
4 Groups of 8
3 Rounds of 3 games
Top 4 players from each Group will move on to the next Round.

Games 1 and 2 in each Round:
1st Place: 3 points
Survival: 1 point
Death: 0 points

Game 3 in each Round is worth double points:
1st Place: 6 points
Survival: 2 points
Death: 0 points
128 days, 22 hours, 16 minutes ago
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qinic
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Hey Talespin, you should add rules to resolve conflict e.g. same amount of points, like do two survivals best 1 survival in the third game, etc. Might not need those rules but I think it is better to have them laid out before the tournament starts.
128 days, 22 hours, 13 minutes ago
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ndek
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I want to put Fargoon on the interested list.
Shame on me if I am not able to pull him into this one.
128 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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On scoring 2.0
I already argued why double score is probably not necessary for the 3rd game: you need a largely reverted order apart from the winner.

Double score for 3rd game is too much for my taste.
I'd like something closer to classic "best of three".
128 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes ago
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ndek
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Yeah, double points suck!

(just polite criticism, to help you grow into this job, @Talespin)

But really, you won't get the best four players out of three rounds, if you put in double points. It is a question of statistics. And odds.
128 days, 20 hours, 53 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Qinic You're right. I forgot to add the information about ties. It's added now.

@Ndek @Mcnimble I don't disagree with what you're saying, but you're also not offering any reasonable alternative.

I think at this point I may just score every Round the same and leave each player's "effort" up to them. If you manage to win 2 games in a row (chances are slim), then maybe you deserve a break from the third game.

So, if I were to publish "Nu Dogfights Point System 3.0", it would look something like this:

32 Players
4 Groups of 8
3 Rounds of 3 games
Top 4 players from each Group will move on to the next Round.

Each Round will be scored as follows:
1st Place: 3 points
Survival: 1 point
Death: 0 points

*Scores are reset after the end of each Round.
*After Game 3, any ties will be determined by planet count from all three games in that particular Round. If there is still a tie, military score will determine the winner of the tie. If there is still a tie, a mini/private 1v1 game will be played to determine the winner of the tie.
128 days, 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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I thought 8-1 points for places 1-8 was just fine.
128 days, 19 hours, 54 minutes ago
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sbor
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This all sounds crazy. So count me in!
128 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes ago
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batman
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Talespin - if you end up with 31 players, put me down for the 32nd. However I do hope you find all 32 players as I'm pretty full up on games.
128 days, 19 hours, 7 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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By the way, are you using standard race slots or are all players allowed to choose which race they want to play?

It would be interesting to make racial picks random, though I think less people would be interested in that option.
128 days, 18 hours, 31 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Jonnydoh Random. All the map/game setup is listed in the first post, and that is all the same. I'm just weighing the value of different scoring systems. Although, in reality, the scoring doesn't matter as long as everyone has fun and everyone has a relatively fair chance for a win.
128 days, 18 hours, 6 minutes ago
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gwendolin
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For a Klingon, kill, murder, play ... Everything means the same :)
128 days, 16 hours, 3 minutes ago
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qinic
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Even though this probably starts sooner than I would like but I guess I can just wing it.
Sign me up
128 days, 15 hours, 8 minutes ago
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talespin
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26 players signed up! Only 6 slots remain open!



Player Update:

Signed Up:
Siggi
Acollingwood
Morgens
Frostriese
Theclerk
Talespin
Cylon_X
Sirad
Panzerleader
Admiral_Tightpants
Treat
Robber_Baron
Turssi
Quasimodoh!
Ndek
J-Zan
Morgan_Kell
Strixy
Jonnydoh
Gwendolin
Solrust
Mcnimble
Gwendolin
Lord_Kelemvor
Sbor
Qinic

*Please let me know if I missed anyone!
128 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
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scree
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Count me in too
128 days, 1 hours, 47 minutes ago
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neodemus
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sounds interesting - lokks like fast paced games as well lets go
128 days, 1 hours, 36 minutes ago
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talespin
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4 Slots left!
127 days, 1 hours, 53 minutes ago
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irato
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I would join, but i mostly wont be able to do turns on the weekend
127 days, 1 hours, 51 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Irato You're welcome to join. There will be four turns per week, on a Monday/Wednesday/Friday/Sunday schedule. Please let me know if you still wish to participate.
127 days, 1 hours, 45 minutes ago
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irato
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@Talespin ok count me in and if i happen to miss a turn, then its good for the other players i guess :)
127 days, 1 hours, 6 minutes ago
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talespin
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I need 3 more players to get this juggernaut rolling! Come join Nu Dogfights!
127 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes ago
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darvster
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If you are struggling to find the last few peeps, count me in. Still getting back into the game and not really that great at blitz games but happy to be some cannon fodder.
126 days, 23 hours, 42 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Darvster I think this will be a type of game most people are not used to. There's no space to hide and no time to linger. Be ready for a fight at all times, and I think you'll at least enjoy it. I'll put you down. Welcome!
126 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes ago
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shodan
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I want IN! Still room?
126 days, 19 hours, 34 minutes ago
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talespin
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1 slot left!
126 days, 14 hours, 23 minutes ago
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talespin
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There's gotta be one more person out there who wishes to join the tournament!
126 days, 14 hours, 10 minutes ago
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nardol
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All right Talespin, I'm in as your final player. I'll give this madness a shot, you never know, I might just do okay (until I get killed,anyway.)
126 days, 13 hours, 57 minutes ago
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tenelid
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Dang, I would join too! Count me as your first backup
126 days, 12 hours, 37 minutes ago
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sudakan
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If someone drops count me in
SDK
126 days, 10 hours, 3 minutes ago
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talespin
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Here's the final list of 32 players! The Pools will be sorted and the games prepared over the next couple of days. Get ready for Nu Dogfights!

Siggi
Acollingwood
Morgens
Frostriese
Theclerk
Talespin
Cylon_X
Sirad
Panzerleader
Admiral_Tightpants
Treat
Robber_Baron
Turssi
Quasimodoh!
Ndek
J-Zan
Morgan_Kell
Strixy
Jonnydoh
Gwendolin
Solrust
Mcnimble
Gwendolin
Lord_Kelemvor
Sbor
Qinic
Scree
Neodemus
Irato
Darvster
Shodan
Nardol

Backup Players:
Tenelid
Sudakan
126 days, 9 hours, 48 minutes ago
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talespin
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Scoring will be as follows:

32 Players
4 Groups of 8
3 Rounds of 3 games
Top 4 players from each Group will move on to the next Round.

Each Round will be scored as follows:
1st Place: 3 points
Survival: 1 point
Death: 0 points

*Scores are reset after the end of each Round.
*After Game 3, any ties will be determined by planet count from all three games in that particular Round. If there is still a tie, military score will determine the winner of the tie. If there is still a tie, a mini/private 1v1 game will be played to determine the winner of the tie.
126 days, 9 hours, 21 minutes ago
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talespin
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Group A: Round 1: Game 1
https://planets.nu/#/sector/301958

Group B: Round 1: Game 1
https://planets.nu/#/sector/301963

Group C: Round 1: Game 1
https://planets.nu/#/sector/301961

Group D: Round 1: Game 1
https://planets.nu/#/sector/301962

As a neutral party, @Whisperer has offered to assign Groups.
126 days, 8 hours, 3 minutes ago
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whisperer
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OK. Problem with the data. There are TWO instances of Gwnedolin. I'm putting Tenelid in to replace the second.
126 days, 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
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whisperer
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Group A:
Irato
Lord_Kelemvor
Morgan_Kell
Neodemus
Qinic
Scree
Treat
Turssi

Group B:
Acollingwood
Darvster
Frostriese
Morgens
Ndek
Shodan
Sirad
Strixy

Group C:
Admiral_Tightpants
Mcnimble
Nardol
Panzerleader
Quasimodoh!
Sbor
Solrust
Talespin

Group D:
Cylon_X
Gwendolin
Jonnydoh
J-Zan
Robber_Baron
Siggi
Tenelid
Theclerk

PMs with the game passwords will be sent shortly.

@Talespin,

I suggest that you take the last slot in your game.
126 days, 7 hours, 25 minutes ago
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whisperer
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Game passwords sent. If you didn't get one, or if it doesn't work, please inform me by PM.
126 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes ago
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ndek
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received. So how does it work? I thought we would select our races in secret?
126 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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Well, for those in Group D, one less race to worry about having to guess on. Best of luck to you all, Have fun and Good Hunting!
126 days, 6 hours, 0 minutes ago
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theclerk
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I did not receive a password :(
Where can I look up private messages anyway?
126 days, 5 hours, 47 minutes ago
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whisperer
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> I thought we would select our races in secret?

There was a communications issue between Talespin and myself. We'll have this worked out for the next game.

> Where can I look up private messages anyway?

They're sent to the email address you used when you signed up.
126 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Unfortunately I turned that off because 100 mails a day arrived.
I turned it back on again. Could you please resend the password?
126 days, 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
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whisperer
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> Could you please resend the password?

Sent.
126 days, 2 hours, 46 minutes ago
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theclerk
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It did not work. I thought, I fixed the problem because I received news about this thread via email.
Private messages are not coming through.
Does anyone have advice how to fix this?
Thanks
126 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Theclerk

Have you checked your junk mail and other various boxes that mail might have gone to?
126 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Yes, I've done that.
126 days, 1 hours, 45 minutes ago
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frostriese
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@TheClerk: use this link http://play.planets.nu/#/account/whisperer/games and send Whisprer a PM by using the link "send message" ... send him your mail address and you can exchange the PW via mail.
126 days, 1 hours, 27 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Thanks, I've send him my email.
Sorry for the extra work ^^
126 days, 1 hours, 5 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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What, exactly, does "No communication in chat, outside of the game, or in public chat" mean?

I take it as "only player-to-player messages within the game, nothing else". Specifically, NOT lone wolf.
126 days, 0 hours, 53 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Mcnimble I didn't want to say "lone wolf", because that has other rules attached with it. The rule is that, on your own honour, players refrain from all communication with other players.
126 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes ago
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talespin
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Nu Dogfights beginning!

All groups have been formed and posted. Please join your game and get started as soon as you can, so that the games start at about the same time.

Remember the "Honour Rules", which are rules that you take responsibility to keep, "on your own honour". I can't enforce them, but, if everyone keeps them, the tournament will be more enjoyable for all. There is no prize. This isn't the Nu Championship games. It's meant to be a fun and competitive tournament.

The Honour Rules are as follows:
1. No giving ships
2. No renaming ships
3. No communication to any other player
4. No alliances


Group A:
@Irato
@Lord_Kelemvor
@Morgan_Kell
@Neodemus
@Qinic
@Scree
@Treat
@Turssi
Round 1: Game 1
https://planets.nu/#/sector/301958

Group B:
@Acollingwood
@Darvster
@Frostriese
@Morgens
@Ndek
@Shodan
@Sirad
@Strixy
Round 1: Game 1
https://planets.nu/#/sector/301963

Group C:
@Admiral_Tightpants
@Mcnimble
@Nardol
@Panzerleader
@Quasimodoh!
@Sbor
@Solrust
@Talespin
Round 1: Game 1
https://planets.nu/#/sector/301961

Group D:
@Cylon_X
@Gwendolin
@Jonnydoh
@J-Zan
@Robber_Baron
@Siggi
@Tenelid
@Theclerk
Round 1: Game 1
https://planets.nu/#/sector/301962
126 days, 0 hours, 30 minutes ago
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sirad
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@talespin:

I have the feeling that the map in my group is a disadvantage to at least one player. I wouldn't mention that if looking at the map does not show it So obvious.

In behalf of good sportsmanship I would request you to recreate that map or set my race to that bad position.
126 days, 0 hours, 23 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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OK. Can you edit the top message to clarify this, and other things as well? And remove the April 1st reference, while you are at it ;)

Players will not find explanations / details in this long thread.

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I'd like to use this opportunity then (before I decide on my first race and join my first dogfight) to wish everybody fun - it's great to see allies as well as adversaries, including my midshipmen! from other games.

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Checking my game.

Any particular reason to have a ship limit of 200? I'm not objecting, I doubt we will reach it.

Can the hideraceselection option be set when creating a game? Doesn't look like it, unfortunately. Presumably auto-activated for 1-vs-1 blitzes. Natural fit for the Players-section when creating a game, tho.
126 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Sirad I'd like to get these games moving forward, so I'm not going to recreate that game. I'll watch for those isolated clusters in the future.
126 days, 0 hours, 15 minutes ago
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sirad
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OK. I just wanted to mention it, that was not meant offending.
125 days, 23 hours, 32 minutes ago
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j-zan
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Just a couple of quick queastions....

1. I want to clarify since I thought there were some "secret race selections talked about." We can join with any race, yes?

2. I'm all for the spirit of not having "Diplomacy" in these games... but really, no renaming ship names at all? I can't name my first MCBR "USS Taking Chances" or "Medium Deep Space Freighter"?

125 days, 23 hours, 5 minutes ago
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zacha
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I doubt someone would complain if you'd rename like that, but of course naming of ships could be misused as some kind of "Diplomacy", so likely to avoid any further discussions on specific names, Talespin just set general rule against it.
125 days, 22 hours, 44 minutes ago
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talespin
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@J-zan (what is the line in your name??)

1. After Game 1, I will take racial choices privately and post them all at the same time (before you receive your password). I wasn't clear with Whisperer when I passed on the information to him, but I will do it properly with the following games.

2. Exactly what @Zacha said: It's a standard "lone wolf" concept to help avoid sending messages through ship names. Your ships probably won't last long enough to enjoy anyway :)
125 days, 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
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j-zan
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Re: 1. Sounds good. Now I just need to commit what race I want in this dogfight.... ;)

Re: 2. Like I said, I agree with not having diplomacy, i.e. the concept of the Lone Wolf games. But there is just valuable information available from knowing the class of ships exploding. And, well, in a format like this - some opportunities for banter back and forth that are being outlawed via the "no comms" requirements.

FYI: The line in my name is the hypen or subtraction mark - as far as getting an accurate tag - my experience has been that it was impossible in the Activity Feed. (Testing @J-Zan) Anyway, I may not have used that mark had I known of this issue years ago when I first signed up years ago.
125 days, 20 hours, 41 minutes ago
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ndek
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No price? Not even a can of Molson Extra Old Stock for the winner?
125 days, 20 hours, 38 minutes ago
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talespin
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How about one for the host? This is hard work organizing 32+ people!
125 days, 19 hours, 48 minutes ago
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regicide
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If there is anyone that backs down I would be happy to Join.
125 days, 18 hours, 46 minutes ago
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frostriese
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Thanks for organizing this tournament - I have to confess you kicked it off ages before my forecast and before my 8th game is done. I will join, but I need two host runs to have a slot available for this crazy madness.

PW received - will join asap.
125 days, 18 hours, 39 minutes ago
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scree
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Talespin can you help. The password I was sent to join Group A isn't accepted.
125 days, 18 hours, 36 minutes ago
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theclerk
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I was still not able to get my password :-(
125 days, 17 hours, 54 minutes ago
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treat
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For group A: If you'd still like secret race selection, I've PM'd whisperer my race selection and created a google form for the other 7 players. Link: https://forms.gle/SZNoacgp7MLEAeNo9

Just put in game name and selection and I'll announce when everyone's selected.
125 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes ago
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talespin
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Please do not send PMs to Whisperer about races and whatnot. He's already done more than I asked him to do, but he has plenty of other things to deal with. If you have concerns, please send me a PM.

Game 1 will not be secret race selection, but the next one will be.

@Theclerk I sent a message with your password to your personal email.

@Scree I sent a PM to you with your password.
125 days, 17 hours, 15 minutes ago
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talespin
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Also, those of you in Group A, I'm not sure why the password is doing that. I reset it to the same thing Whisperer emailed you. Please let me know if it's still not working.

@Irato
@Lord_Kelemvor
@Morgan_Kell
@Neodemus
@Qinic
@Scree
@Treat
@Turssi
125 days, 16 hours, 37 minutes ago
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qinic
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@Treat
Sounds good, one player however has made his choice.
I did submit my choice on the form. So let's see what the majority in group a decides to do
125 days, 16 hours, 11 minutes ago
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morgan kell
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@talespin

I'm still getting a invalid password message.
125 days, 16 hours, 10 minutes ago
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treat
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Same here
125 days, 15 hours, 53 minutes ago
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strixy
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GLHF!
125 days, 15 hours, 41 minutes ago
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talespin
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Group A:

I've remade your game. (Sorry @Scree) I don't know why passwords were not working for some people. I tried it on my other account and it worked fine, so I'm not sure why it isn't for some.

Here's the link to the new version: https://planets.nu/#/sector/302136.

Also, please sign up as soon as you can. This is a long tournament and we need to get things moving.
125 days, 14 hours, 43 minutes ago
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gwendolin
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Where can I find the password?
125 days, 14 hours, 27 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Gwendolin You're in Group D. Password is kNy.
125 days, 13 hours, 54 minutes ago
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turssi
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Yeah I still get the incorrect game password message. Don't know why.
125 days, 13 hours, 48 minutes ago
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strixy
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Try copying and pasting it?
125 days, 13 hours, 31 minutes ago
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turssi
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And I`m in!
125 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
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neodemus
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likewise
125 days, 13 hours, 12 minutes ago
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turssi
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Get in Irato so host can run!
125 days, 13 hours, 11 minutes ago
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neodemus
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and ty Tale and whis ahead of game for going through all that trouble given the tools and setbacks.

125 days, 11 hours, 54 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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"Next TRN in 45 hrs" REALLY? Trn 2 in 45 hrs.? I understand this could be fast i f everyone plays fast, but that max timeframe for a game of this type? I have to assume that's an error?
125 days, 11 hours, 29 minutes ago
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talespin
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Group A: Waiting on @Irato

Group B: Waiting on @Frostriese (Don't worry about it, Frostie. The games started sooner than expected. Join when you can.)

Group C: Dogfight has begun!

Group D: Waiting on @Cylon_X and @J-Zan
125 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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Getting claustrophobic just looking at the map. :-)
125 days, 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Yeah, the thought that 8 people are in there is exciting :D
125 days, 3 hours, 21 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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Why no ship re-naming?
125 days, 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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@Admital Tightpants: Because if there were two ships meeting at a lonely planet, you could conceivably get around the "no diplomacy, no communication" rule by renaming your ship to "Hey, Peace?" Or "Want to Trade"? Or "Pirates South" Or some such to circumvent the rules. In any case, trying to do so is Not Cool.
125 days, 0 hours, 11 minutes ago
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scotty2beam
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Good luck with this endeavour @Talespin, I was considering getting in on this but I haven't the time at the moment. Looks intriguing to say the least!
125 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Scotty2beam Thanks for the well wishes. If this goes well, I'd love to do more tournaments. We'll see. Gotta get Game 1 going first :D
124 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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@Jonnydoh: OK, then, make the rule, "On your honor, no communication through ship re-naming." Done.
But all my SUPER DREADNAUGHTS being names SUPER DREADNAUGHT is beyond boring. They don't even do that in the Emperor game.
124 days, 19 hours, 19 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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@Admital Tightpants: The rule of not being allowed to rename ships is common for games without communication (eg. Lone Wolf). Aside from preventing subtle communication, it also prevents misleading information and levels the playing field for everyone.

Yes, this means that if your ship goes boom, everyone will know where you are. Btw, you can prevent that by only building freighters. :-))
124 days, 18 hours, 48 minutes ago
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quasimodoh!
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Note to self: When screensharing with CIO, turn of email notifications. "Message from Admital Tightpants" caused an awkward silence.
124 days, 18 hours, 40 minutes ago
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frostriese
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Made my day ... thanks for sharing this ++ and now I have to turn off notifications ... even spouses dislike it :)
124 days, 17 hours, 37 minutes ago
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whisperer
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@Taalespin,

> I will take racial choices privately and post them all at the same time

Please send me (of some other active but disinterested player) your race selection before you request that players send you theirs.
124 days, 17 hours, 5 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Quasimodoh! LOL
124 days, 17 hours, 3 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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Oddly, I HAVE NO work computer.

Only a computer in my private bedroom, and a phone.

So, next accusation, pls?
124 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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No one was accusing you of anything, Admital Tightpants (at least in my interpretation of the thread-- if anything, it was against Quasimodoh).

Time to loosen those er.. Pants. Way to derail an otherwise humorous exchange (Booooo.)
124 days, 16 hours, 23 minutes ago
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talespin
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In other news...

3 games are underway! The fourth will start soon.
124 days, 15 hours, 48 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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@Jonnydoh
"No one was accusing you of anything, Admital Tightpants (at least in my interpretation of the thread-- if anything, it was against Quasimodoh).
Time to loosen those er.. Pants. Way to derail an otherwise humorous exchange (Booooo.)"

Oddly, I HAVE NO pants on atm! Next accus... er.,
I mean in that case, I apologize...BUT TO WHISPERER, NOT YOU! Haha!

Damn! I was all set for a knock-down-drag-out, too!

WAIT A MINUTE! You Boooooed me! It's on NOW!

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124 days, 15 hours, 6 minutes ago
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I normally try to avoid the feed unless I need help from the oracles...
But @Tightpants you have made me chortle. Kudos for arguably the best handle on Nu.
124 days, 9 hours, 28 minutes ago
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*Tightpants bows and smiles imperceptively.*
124 days, 1 hours, 14 minutes ago
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Frost joind Group B.
124 days, 1 hours, 11 minutes ago
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talespin
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Brrr chilly
124 days, 1 hours, 9 minutes ago
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talespin
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All games are in progress! Good hunting, Commanders! Have fun! I expect to see the first knock outs within a week!
124 days, 1 hours, 6 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Wasn't aware that these games are without scores. I feel so .. uninformed.
124 days, 0 hours, 10 minutes ago
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turssi
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Looks like the explosions are already starting!
124 days, 0 hours, 1 minutes ago
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talespin
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Group A draws first blood!
123 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes ago
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qinic
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Died with Honor and mission accomplished
122 days, 12 hours, 53 minutes ago
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turssi
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Nice to see all 4 games advancing at equal pace, even if some started later. @ turn 5, 4, 5 and 6!
122 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes ago
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I'm fairly certain there's going to be some knock outs very soon!
121 days, 22 hours, 25 minutes ago
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sbor
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Can I have a Dislike button please?
121 days, 21 hours, 53 minutes ago
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ninjabunny
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a Dike button ?
120 days, 10 hours, 21 minutes ago
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sirad
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Slightest mistakes have biggest impacts...
120 days, 0 hours, 45 minutes ago
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darvster
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This setup gets messy really quickly.
120 days, 0 hours, 11 minutes ago
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talespin
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Hence the name "Dogfights". I almost got knocked out last turn!
120 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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Stop talking about your game @Talespin
119 days, 21 hours, 28 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Mcnimble Yes, I suppose that is against my own rules. That was not the intent though. In my defense, everyone's planet count and explosions are public knowledge, so if you examine any of the games you could see that. I've been reviewing all four games to see who is close to being eliminated and noting them as a target for if I play them :)
119 days, 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
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sirad
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What Turn FOF will come into effect ?
119 days, 8 hours, 43 minutes ago
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talespin
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All games will increase FoF every 3 turns.
119 days, 7 hours, 12 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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FoF seems to be going up so quickly, when you've only got a few planets and nothing is really up for grabs. :-)
119 days, 6 hours, 38 minutes ago
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I've got to say, this type of game is really, really interesting for me so far. Even the most undervalued planet can be considered to have a very high stake, every ship needs to be 100% useful, and there's no worry about ship limit because of the nature of the fighting.

Kudos again to you, Talespin-- If this game type doesn't have a future on VGA.nu, it absolutely should.
119 days, 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
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sirad
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Hmm. every Turn is green, but no Hostrun ?
119 days, 1 hours, 36 minutes ago
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talespin
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Rest easy, Comrade Acollingwood. You have served the State with honour and sacrifice. May you return with renewed vigor!
119 days, 1 hours, 15 minutes ago
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theclerk
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When does a player get kicked out?
If he has planets <= FoF count or planets < FoF count?
119 days, 1 hours, 12 minutes ago
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sirad
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If player has less Planets than FOF count he gets kicked out.
119 days, 0 hours, 15 minutes ago
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talespin
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Group B is on Turn 10, so their FoF has hit 3. When a player's planet count drops below that number, they are done. Everyone will receive a message that you have lost control of your empire and it's falling apart. You will be able to unpack your turn and view what happened, but any client side actions you do will not occur. On the following turn, your starbases and ships will be destroyed; only your planets will remain and you will be declared "DEAD".
118 days, 23 hours, 57 minutes ago
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Yes, it will wipe out quite a few of us.
Personaly, I would like it better without FoF - maybe next time.
118 days, 23 hours, 48 minutes ago
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sirad
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'Yes, it will wipe out quite a few of us.'

Indeed. No useless petting of Natives or building precious structures. Win, or die trying.

And i can not say how much i hate the useless micromanagement of 100's of ships if you come to a regular Endgame. This is quite somewhat refreshing at all!
118 days, 23 hours, 12 minutes ago
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Hope there are more Tournaments like this. as I would like to play in them.

Some with Campaign options as that makes the EE playable.

What setting where used in setting up the game? Would not mind making a stand alone game like this.
118 days, 22 hours, 15 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Regicide I'd love to host more tournaments like this, but I want to see if this one can follow through. I assume you're asking for the Map dimensions, which are: 450 x 450 with 50 planets, all the mineral/native/homeworld settings are Standard, very close planets 2, close planets 3, and other planets min homeworld dist 30. I did quite a few test maps before I felt comfortable with this one. With the last three items on that list, be careful not to deviate too much.
118 days, 22 hours, 1 minutes ago
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@Talespin Thanks for putting this together. I look forward to playing again in the future. My only comment is on the maps. I had the pleasure of having a group of three planets all by themselves with one of the planets having Amorphous. I believe Sirad mentioned something about it at the start. I'm not sure if the layout of the planets can be controlled but I feel like I was at a disadvantage at the start with what I had. I'm not complaining this is just something to look at for future games. I am excited to see who is the last one standing.
118 days, 20 hours, 53 minutes ago
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@Acollingwood It was brought up before. I will be watching for isolated groups like that in the rest of the games. Thanks for the feedback.
118 days, 18 hours, 55 minutes ago
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sirad
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@acollingwood:

'I had the pleasure of having a group of three planets all by themselves with one of the planets having Amorphous.'

Well i mentioned that...

Besides that:

Sorry for taking that long to state a reply. I was not able to read what you wrote, The letters were blurred all time, so i have to ask my girlfriend to read it for me. It seemed that my mind does not allowed to read about a Klinmgon Player that complains about having amorphous worms nearby at the start of the game...
118 days, 17 hours, 5 minutes ago
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Group D looks real tight. FoF at 4 and going on turn 13 without dead races.
118 days, 14 hours, 23 minutes ago
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robber baron
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@Sirad:

"Well i mentioned that..."
Yes, and he mentioned that you mentioned that.

As Acollingwood says, he's NOT complaining. He seems to just be observing that being born in a bad spot on the map, while not an insurmountable challenge in a normal game, could be much more disastrous in this one. Furthermore, if you happen to Not be Fascist, having one of the only two planets within two clicks of you be an amorphous world would make it that much worse. I would have to agree. Perhaps nothing can be done about that in the future, but I don't think it hurts for him to point it out.
118 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
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Would it be possible to pause the games over the holiday weekend? I wont be able to do my turns from Friday to Monday and i would guess i am not the only one who is busy over easter
118 days, 3 hours, 28 minutes ago
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Vote to run it 5 times for 1. Sure we have the day off (I usually work Sundays) and being bored, I wanna PLAY Planets all day!
117 days, 23 hours, 59 minutes ago
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shodan
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I am for a break over the holidays.
117 days, 22 hours, 41 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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You died with honor. See you next round, @Gwendolin.
117 days, 13 hours, 53 minutes ago
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qinic
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For Everyone that finds it too much hard work to check all 4 games, here are the current standings.

Game: Group D: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301962
Turn: 15
Position Commander Planet Count
1 theclerk 8
2 jonnydoh 8
3 siggi 7
4 cylon_x 7
5 robber baron 6
6 j-zan 6
7 tenelid 5
8 gwendolin 3

Game: Group A: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/302136
Turn: 10
Position Commander Planet Count
1 treat 12
2 irato 7
3 morgan kell 7
4 qinic 6
5 scree 6
6 turssi 5
7 neodemus 2
8 dead 0

Game: Group C: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301961
Turn: 9
Position Commander Planet Count
1 talespin 8
2 mcnimble 8
3 quasimodoh! 6
4 nardol 6
5 sbor 5
6 panzerleader 5
7 admital tightpants 3
8 solrust 3

Game: Group B: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301963
Turn: 10
Position Commander Planet Count
1 shodan 7
2 sirad 7
3 darvster 6
4 strixy 5
5 morgens 5
6 frostriese 4
7 ndek 4
8 dead 2



116 days, 20 hours, 36 minutes ago
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> I wrote a quick and dirty api call macro to generate this list, so I can post an update whenever wanted. I am just not sure how often I should be doing this as I don't want to spam the community.

If it's a JavaScript page, we can put it up in the Library and post a link. This would enable anyone to get the information whenever they want.
116 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes ago
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Spam way.

I'm not playing in the tournament but it is interesting.

If they did not want everything in the main Feed we would have a Real Forum with Topics.
116 days, 19 hours, 33 minutes ago
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An update once or twice a week would not be too much IMO. I like the idea.
116 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes ago
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mursu
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Could the script also show the race of each player? That's interesting to know.
116 days, 18 hours, 32 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Qinic Sounds great! Thank you.

Also, I will post a score update after each game.
116 days, 16 hours, 24 minutes ago
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talespin
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Game pause!

Due to the coming holiday, I'm going to pause all four games on the evening of Friday, April 19, sometime before midnight Atlantic Standard Time. It will rise again on Monday morning, sometime before midday AST.

A pause in the fighting for the warriors to be reminded of why they fight.
116 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes ago
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turssi
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Buu.
116 days, 6 hours, 22 minutes ago
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sirad
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Great! Noone was thinking about the rare chance of Easter Holidays appearing this year. We're save now. Gosh, took me already 13 Hours do do my turn...
116 days, 5 hours, 26 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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Exactly So! The Easteroid hit our HWs with the force of three votes, putting all planned construction off for three days!
There is no scientific way to predict the occurrence of an Easteroid...everyone knows that!

And you just wait for those other celestial pause button events: Hollowasp Night; Neutronium Fueltide; and Intergalactic Planets Programmers' Day.

Expect a pause delay on each one.

And, Hell, the Druids have 80 High Holy Days a year, so...
116 days, 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
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Current standings:

Game: Group D: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301962
Turn: 16
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 theclerk The Empire of Birds 10
2 siggi The Lizard Alliance 7
3 jonnydoh The Fascist Empire 7
4 cylon_x The Robotic Imperium 7
5 robber baron The Privateer Bands 6
6 tenelid The Empire of Birds 5
7 j-zan The Crystal Confederation 5
8 gwendolin (dead) The Fascist Empire 2

Game: Group C: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301961
Turn: 11
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 talespin The Fascist Empire 7
2 quasimodoh! The Empire of Birds 7
3 nardol The Privateer Bands 6
4 mcnimble The Fascist Empire 6
5 admital tightpants The Solar Federation 6
6 solrust The Lizard Alliance 5
7 sbor The Empire of Birds 5
8 panzerleader The Fascist Empire 5

Game: Group A: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/302136
Turn: 13
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 treat The Robotic Imperium 17
2 irato The Missing Colonies of Man 9
3 turssi The Evil Empire 8
4 scree The Lizard Alliance 5
5 morgan kell The Lizard Alliance 4
6 qinic The Fascist Empire 3
7 neodemus (dead) The Privateer Bands 0
8 lord kelemvor (dead) The Lizard Alliance 0

Game: Group B: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301963
Turn: 11
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 sirad The Lizard Alliance 7
2 shodan The Missing Colonies of Man 6
3 frostriese The Lizard Alliance 6
4 darvster The Crystal Confederation 6
5 ndek The Robotic Imperium 5
6 strixy The Missing Colonies of Man 5
7 morgens The Fascist Empire 5
8 dead (dead) The Privateer Bands 1
116 days, 1 hours, 56 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Treat I need to review that Bot game to see how you've so masterfully taken over that game!
115 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes ago
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I have to admit to being fairly miffed. When picking a race I had the same idea but thought, no way that would work... :/
115 days, 12 hours, 49 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Morgan_Kell I considered the same :D
115 days, 12 hours, 18 minutes ago
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talespin
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The next host for all four games will be at the following time: 4/22/2019 10:00:00 PM (That's server time.).
114 days, 15 hours, 13 minutes ago
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Nu Dogfights: Group B: Round 1
Turn 13

The Fascists (dead) 1
The Lizards (sirad) 9 (+2)
The Robots (ndek) 8 (+1)
The Fascists (morgens) 8 (+2)
The Crystal People (darvster) 4
The Colonies (shodan) 6
The Lizards (frostriese) 6
The Colonies (strixy) 3 (-1)
Totals: 45
114 days, 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Wow, group A seems to finish really fast. Respect @TREAT
112 days, 13 hours, 35 minutes ago
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turssi
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Group A could finish by Sunday if the countdown doesn't get interrupted.
112 days, 3 hours, 26 minutes ago
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sirad
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Group C looks relatively even.

What happens if all Players happen to have 6 Planets at Turn 30 ?

112 days, 3 hours, 22 minutes ago
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If all players have 6 planets in turn 21, we will have six dead players. FoF rules.
112 days, 3 hours, 20 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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I believe all players then get 0 points, and we move on to the next game on the round. Although that would be... unsatisfying...
112 days, 3 hours, 17 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Then fight! Don't Fail.
111 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes ago
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qinic
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Current standings:

Game: Group A: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/302136
Turn: 15
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 treat The Robotic Imperium 22
2 scree The Lizard Alliance 8
3 turssi The Evil Empire 8
4 irato The Missing Colonies of Man 6
5 morgan kell The Lizard Alliance 4
6 qinic (dead) The Fascist Empire 1
7 neodemus (dead) The Privateer Bands 0
8 lord kelemvor (dead) The Lizard Alliance 0

Game: Group B: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301963
Turn: 15
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 sirad The Lizard Alliance 11
2 morgens The Fascist Empire 10
3 frostriese The Lizard Alliance 7
4 ndek The Robotic Imperium 7
5 darvster The Crystal Confederation 5
6 shodan The Missing Colonies of Man 5
7 strixy (dead) The Missing Colonies of Man 2
8 dead (dead) The Privateer Bands 0

Game: Group D: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301962
Turn: 20
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 theclerk The Empire of Birds 11
2 jonnydoh The Fascist Empire 9
3 cylon_x The Robotic Imperium 8
4 siggi The Lizard Alliance 7
5 robber baron The Privateer Bands 6
6 tenelid (dead) The Empire of Birds 3
7 j-zan (dead) The Crystal Confederation 3
8 gwendolin (dead) The Fascist Empire 2

Game: Group C: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301961
Turn: 13
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 sbor The Empire of Birds 8
2 mcnimble The Fascist Empire 7
3 quasimodoh! The Empire of Birds 6
4 talespin The Fascist Empire 6
5 admital tightpants The Solar Federation 6
6 panzerleader The Fascist Empire 6
7 nardol The Privateer Bands 5
8 solrust The Lizard Alliance 5
110 days, 14 hours, 30 minutes ago
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turssi
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Just had a look at the difficulty modifiers.

A: 1.05
B: 1.18
C: 1.19
D: 1.29
110 days, 12 hours, 33 minutes ago
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@Turssi I never thought of that. Interesting. There's some solid numbers there.
110 days, 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
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talespin
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I don't know about anyone else, but this game is making me nervous. You never know if you'ore going to be knocked out every turn. Every decision is important!
110 days, 11 hours, 48 minutes ago
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turssi
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Yeah it's an emotional rollercoaster with plans measured against luck and determination.
110 days, 11 hours, 47 minutes ago
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strixy
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I'm already out, but I lasted longer than the Pittsburgh Penguins so that should count for something. Looking forward to round 2!
110 days, 11 hours, 43 minutes ago
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If there are any web devs following that would like to collaborate on a little something for this Dogfight tournament send me a DM. I'll coordinate something.
110 days, 11 hours, 41 minutes ago
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turssi
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If one would fall below FoF on the fifth host of the victory countdown, would that result in surviving and a point?
110 days, 9 hours, 43 minutes ago
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sirad
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This scenario is just like locking 8 people in a Phone booth and then yell 'pull out your swords and fight'

Great Idea Talespin
110 days, 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
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Talespin said "I don't know about anyone else, but this game is making me nervous. You never know if you'ore going to be knocked out every turn. Every decision is important!"

@Talespin: I've been having dreams/nightmares about my game. It's taking a serious amount of logical wake-side reasoning with myself telling me that I shouldn't be so focused on it. It's not helping.
110 days, 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Jonnydoh If I survive the first round, I'll be sure to put you out of your misery in the second round :D
110 days, 7 hours, 33 minutes ago
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sbor
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Yiiihaaa, from planet count leader to dead in two turns. Next round I can do that faster ;-)
Finally group C has the first kill, too.
110 days, 5 hours, 16 minutes ago
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@Sirad exactly!
Every minor mistake is fatal. Talespin, what have you done to us?
110 days, 5 hours, 1 minutes ago
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that reminds me of Amundson report about his race to the south pole ... there is no room for recovery from any mistake done.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amundsen%27s_South_Pole_expedition

The party loaded up three sledges with supplies for a march of up to 60 days, leaving the remaining provisions and dog carcasses in a depot. Bad weather prevented their departure until 25 November, when they set off cautiously over the unknown ground in persistent fog.[131] They were travelling over an icy surface broken by frequent crevasses, which together with the poor visibility slowed their progress. Amundsen called this area the "Devil's Glacier". On 4 December they came to an area where the crevasses were concealed under layers of snow and ice with a space between, which gave what Amundsen called an "unpleasantly hollow" sound as the party passed over it. He christened this area "The Devil's Ballroom."

@Talespin: I suggest Devils Glacier and Devils Ballroom for the next two rounds ;-)
110 days, 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
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@Frostriese So the next game should feature a ton of nebulae?
110 days, 1 hours, 45 minutes ago
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qinic
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Haha and rhan ion storms for the next
110 days, 0 hours, 51 minutes ago
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talespin
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How about this map for "Devil's Glacier": https://planets.nu/#/sector/305831? There are 50 planets in there! lol
110 days, 0 hours, 36 minutes ago
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You are one crazy Canadian ... I pick a race with nebula scanner. :-)
110 days, 0 hours, 29 minutes ago
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The visibility on that map is anywhere between 10 and 30! I had ships run out of fuel before they found a planet, and the computer didn't know what to do at all. They were mostly dead in the first 10 turns. Yeah, Nebula Scanners and Advanced Cloak would give too much of an advantage in that set up :(
110 days, 0 hours, 26 minutes ago
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looks like a Great map.

but remember to limit scanner range to 50-100ly for planets and ships. That way even races with nebula scanner would not see the whole map on turn 3.
I think 75ly would be a good choice.
110 days, 0 hours, 20 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Regicide Yes! Good idea! I think I would limit it to 40-50 light years though or everyone will choose the same races: Borg, Bots, or Birds.

Regular scanners would be limited to an average of 17 light years! Everyone would have to travel around at Warp 4 or 5. I feel that would be too limiting in such a tournament.
110 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes ago
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looking at that map with RedrawAndFilter... it's Planets Art !
110 days, 0 hours, 8 minutes ago
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You could still move 81 lys and learn what is in different areas.

I like:
1. All native life on planets inside a nebula with visibility less than 50 Light-Years may be taxed higher than the normal rate before becoming angry. Since these natives have never seen the stars the arrival of aliens causes the entire population to go into a religious fervor.
(Is like everyone gets a Fed tax bonus.)

2. Planets inside a Nebula are 10 times more likely to experience a small meteor shower.
109 days, 23 hours, 11 minutes ago
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sirad
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' Since these natives have never seen the stars the arrival of aliens causes the entire population to go into a religious fervor.'

Maybe eating the arrived strange People to gain their advantages could be another option too. Remember what happened to the first People who got into hassle with the original New Zealand Population....
109 days, 18 hours, 5 minutes ago
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So group 1 game 1 is one host from ending. @talespin: are the players that survived this far guaranteed that one point, or would falling below FoF take that away from a player, even though the player still would be on the scoreboard and access to the game?

I mean to me this is a grey area because the FoF process takes two turns between declaration and being set to dead.
109 days, 17 hours, 56 minutes ago
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As far as I am concerned, if a player's name is still showing behind the race at the end of the game, then he survived. After all, he can still get into his turn and "play".
109 days, 17 hours, 33 minutes ago
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@Cylon_X,

I believe that's the same criteria that the system uses to determine finishing players.
109 days, 17 hours, 5 minutes ago
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talespin
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You are not declared "dead" until the next turn, so, yes, you will still be considered a survivor.
109 days, 11 hours, 17 minutes ago
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turssi
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With that we got game 1 of group A defined! Treat wins with three other survivors!
109 days, 10 hours, 51 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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@Turssi: Don't you have 61 turns to go?
109 days, 10 hours, 16 minutes ago
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turssi
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@jonnydoh: No? First round ends at next host (if the victory countdown is not interrupted) and then we got two more rounds. You can't even reach 80 turns I think as you need to get to 20 planets by turn 60 and start the victory countdown.
109 days, 9 hours, 26 minutes ago
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@Turssi: Oooh, I see. Your opponent has over 20 planets. My bad.
109 days, 8 hours, 20 minutes ago
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sirad
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Didnt know this Game gives promotions, at least something to fight for.


109 days, 3 hours, 58 minutes ago
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> Didnt know this Game gives promotions

These are Public games.

The winner of each game will receive the "Minor Victory" badge ("Victory" for group D), which allows promotions to Rear Admiral (Vice Admiral for group D). In addition, the top 3 players in each game will receive the "Battle Tested" badge, which is required for the rank of Commodore.

Also, Achievement Points are received, although at a slower rate than normal (0.7 multiplier due to the low player count).

If this is enough to give you a promotion, then you receive it.
109 days, 3 hours, 3 minutes ago
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Current standings:

Game: Group A: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/302136
Turn: 18
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 treat The Robotic Imperium 23
2 turssi The Evil Empire 10
3 irato The Missing Colonies of Man 8
4 scree The Lizard Alliance 7
5 morgan kell (dead) The Lizard Alliance 2
6 qinic (dead) The Fascist Empire 0
7 neodemus (dead) The Privateer Bands 0
8 lord kelemvor (dead) The Lizard Alliance 0

Game: Group B: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301963
Turn: 19
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 sirad The Lizard Alliance 18
2 morgens The Fascist Empire 13
3 ndek The Robotic Imperium 9
4 shodan The Missing Colonies of Man 6
5 darvster (dead) The Crystal Confederation 1
6 dead (dead) The Privateer Bands 0
7 strixy (dead) The Missing Colonies of Man 0
8 frostriese (dead) The Lizard Alliance 0

Game: Group D: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301962
Turn: 23
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 theclerk The Empire of Birds 13
2 siggi The Lizard Alliance 9
3 cylon_x The Robotic Imperium 9
4 jonnydoh The Fascist Empire 9
5 robber baron The Privateer Bands 5
6 tenelid (dead) The Empire of Birds 2
7 j-zan (dead) The Crystal Confederation 2
8 gwendolin (dead) The Fascist Empire 1

Game: Group C: Round 1: Game 1
URL: https://planets.nu/#/sector/301961
Turn: 16
Position Commander Race Planet Count
1 mcnimble The Fascist Empire 8
2 talespin The Fascist Empire 8
3 nardol The Privateer Bands 8
4 panzerleader The Fascist Empire 7
5 admital tightpants The Solar Federation 5
6 solrust The Lizard Alliance 5
7 quasimodoh! The Empire of Birds 5
8 sbor (dead) The Empire of Birds 2
109 days, 1 hours, 21 minutes ago
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talespin
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For the record, I just now sent my race selection for Game 2 to Whisperer.
109 days, 1 hours, 20 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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Everybody's going to be playing 'Bots now after seeing Treat's win and turns... XD
108 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes ago
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Which is why I'm eagerly waiting to see how the other games unfolded.
108 days, 20 hours, 51 minutes ago
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treat
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Still a lot of luck with other race selections and positions. If my closest neighbor had been colonies instead of privateers, then a very different game happens.
108 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes ago
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> I just now sent my race selection for Game 2 to Whisperer

Received.
108 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes ago
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blackskull
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Then we must rule out Bots for the remainder of these games...anything unbalanced in this particular scenario must be removed.
108 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes ago
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ndek
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But.. it is so great to lay a minefield over the half map in turn 3...
108 days, 3 hours, 11 minutes ago
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blackskull
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My mistake. I thought it was the Nu Dogfights. I failed to realize it was supposed to be the Nu Minefights..with a preselected winner!
108 days, 2 hours, 51 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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Nah. I will watch that game later, but I'm sure players will adjust. Play Colonies. Buy expensive beams early on. Something with RGA-ing hyperjumpers. Large cargo holds filled with supplies. Or even attempt xtal.

Or I will simply enjoy the fireworks when four robot players put up a big minefield in T3. I bet it'd be visible from within a Nebula!
108 days, 2 hours, 49 minutes ago
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theclerk
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I think we should not change the setup while the tournament is running.
108 days, 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
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sirad
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If i look at Game B the Robot dont look 'Dominating'
108 days, 2 hours, 28 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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Oof, that was a rough, intense battle. I'm out this turn, but looking forward to the next match-up!

At least now I can sleep with some anxiety off my shoulders.
108 days, 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
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If you think, that selecting the Bots means automatic victory, then you should choose that race in your next game. Of course, if you loose, you'll probably find some other "unbalancing" fault to complain about. ;-)
108 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
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@Cylon_X: Not I. I made my comment as a jest, more than anything.

For me, it's the playing that is the thrill of the game. I'm just happy I lasted as long as I did, all things considered. I'll most likely continue playing the races I'm most familiar with.
108 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes ago
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@Jonnydoh I think you did a lot better than you give yourself credit for. Can't talk about the game but just review it after you are done.
108 days, 1 hours, 51 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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@Jonnydoh: I wasn't referring to your post.

It's just that some people see a dominating victory and immediately think that the game is unfair and should be changed. Aside from all the different race advantages and player skills, a huge factor is also luck regarding the starting position. If we level the playing field to make it equal for everyone, we end up with online chess and that is not what I signed up for. :-)
108 days, 1 hours, 36 minutes ago
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qinic
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Yes what @Cylon_x said. @tread already said being next to races he was next to helped. Also I made a numer of mistakes and basically gave him 0 opposition. He played the robots right we just did not react right.
108 days, 1 hours, 32 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Qinic I agree. I think you can counter it. Bravo to Treat for realizing that choice in the first round and catching people unaware. However, I will watch that over the next two games to see if the Bots are indeed having a major advantage.
108 days, 0 hours, 49 minutes ago
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sbor
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Looking forward to all the Virgos beating each other up in the next game...
108 days, 0 hours, 49 minutes ago
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ndek
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@Sirad just wait until I start my final attack. And: I am still alive.
But I am afraid, skill is more important than the race. As always.
107 days, 23 hours, 55 minutes ago
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talespin
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I think Group C will have either 1 Winner and 1 Survivor or 1 Winner and no Survivors. It's pretty tight.
107 days, 23 hours, 19 minutes ago
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sirad
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The most surprising fact for me is, that we may have a birdmen successor here.

Kinda of not expected it...
107 days, 21 hours, 25 minutes ago
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quasimodoh!
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Not this birdman.....

Back to the drawing board.
107 days, 16 hours, 1 minutes ago
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tenelid
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By when do we have to inform Whisperer our new race for the 2nd game? Ready for renewed action in Group D
107 days, 15 hours, 58 minutes ago
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treat
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Half of the fun of this is the metagame of race selection and first and second turn gambits. I don't know how I feel about talking through my if-then-else decision tree and big box-o-gambits. But I will say that I did not intend to drop a massive turn 3 minefield when I joined the game. That decision was made when my MDSF met the privateer MDSF on turn 2.
107 days, 15 hours, 45 minutes ago
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turssi
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Say what you want treat but the 2nd round with have 8xRobots :-)
107 days, 14 hours, 29 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Tenelid You inform me of your race for the 2nd game. Send me a PM - if your first game is done.
107 days, 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
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strixy
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Hello Nu Dogfighters, with help from @Qinic I put together a web site that shows the current scores. I was able to tie into the Planets Nu API so the scores will be 100% current. I just setup the DNS so the URL may or may not work right away. Give it 12 hours if it's not working.

http://nudogfights.strixy.com

I'm open to suggestions, ideas, as well as any assistance anyone might like to pitch in. It's built using VueJS nad Bootstrap 4.1. The code is in a private repo on Gitlab, but I'm happy to invite anyone that might like to jump in and help out. Cheers!
107 days, 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Strixy Looks great! Thank you for putting that together!
107 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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Awesome that there now is a more permanent place for such a tournament!

@strixy What I would really like is if you can name the dead.
I know NU API makes your life hard, yet it'd be respectful to the players.

Thinking ahead, can you represent up to 3 games for one pool in one such table?
e.g. Treat bots/24/3, xtal/2/dead, liz/12/?, 3 (last number == total points, sort table on that, perhaps)
(mm, I even think that identifying the dead is a prerequisite for that representation.)
107 days, 3 hours, 40 minutes ago
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sirad
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@strixy

Sorting the Players in planetary Order would be a nice addon.
107 days, 3 hours, 24 minutes ago
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qinic
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I have not found a good api call to get the original player user names for dead player entries while the game is running.
I guess you would need to retain that data at the start of the game locally. After the game finishes One way of getting the player names is to call the first turn via for example http://api.planets.nu/game/loadturn?gameid=302136&turn=1&playerid=1 and extract the details from there. But that is only public after the game finishes.
107 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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mmm...
events API call for a game seems to carry the player ID?
106 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes ago
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strixy
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Thanks for the feedback everyone. I've added all the suggestions I had time for today including showing the dead race's player names. I had to do some manual data juggling to get them, but the spreadsheets @Qinic created helped out a lot. In the future this will help me put the scoring together though I don't know when that'll be ready.

The id in the player data isn't the players account id, but rather their index number in that game ie. 1-8. The players accountid is set to 0 on death. (I don't know why). The Events tab has the slot number, the race name, and the player name so I was able to get the names from there. It should be correct, but please let me know if I've made any mistakes.
106 days, 12 hours, 52 minutes ago
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turssi
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Nice job strixy! @talespin can you put strixys site to the initial message? Please also comment if future groups will be random like the first four and if the ties in future group will consider planet counts since first round for each player.
106 days, 12 hours, 2 minutes ago
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Seeing all the games laid out in Strixy's and Qinic's spreadsheet (great work guys!) has made me realize what slackers we are in Group C. We need to get things moving or we'll hold up the whole tournament. ; )
106 days, 10 hours, 4 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Nardol Come and get me then :D
106 days, 7 hours, 14 minutes ago
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sbor
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@Nardol: very true. Embarrassing fact: we were the first to start but had the smallest turn number soon after.

> @Nardol Come and get me then :D

That's a trap!!!

I propose a rule change: talking about a game is allowed in this public thread, because the organizer can't hold it anyway... ;-)

So now @McNimble: finish them off, I want to kill you all in the next game.
106 days, 6 hours, 34 minutes ago
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One thing about that overview page you guys made, which I really don't like, is that it shows theclerk having 21 planets in group D. An alarming glitch that will have to be remedied!

Seriously though, thanks a lot for putting in the work to make that available. Great job! I've already bookmarked it.
106 days, 6 hours, 29 minutes ago
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@Strixy,

I just took a look at the page you created. Nice :)

All,

Look at the races represented by the winner/leaders. This is an excellent distribution of the races.

Overall, a nice idea from @Talespin and it's working out well.
106 days, 1 hours, 56 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Whisperer Thanks :)

A reminder to everyone: I will be keeping my own scores, including planet and military counts, so, please don't worry if Strixy's webpage isn't perfect. We should just be thankful that he's taking time out of his day - that he probably doesn't have - to make a visual for everyone. A score page like is just to give you a visual representation of the score; it's motivational. Thank you to @Strixy again.
106 days, 1 hours, 49 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Turssi Each Round the new Groups will be randomly selected. Each Game players choose a new race, by emailing me with your race selection. Scores are wiped after each Round/3 Games. At the end of each Round, ties are decided by TOTAL Planet count from all 3 Games, then TOTAL Military Score from all 3 games, then a 1vs1 tie-breaker mini-game.
106 days, 1 hours, 18 minutes ago
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sirad
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'Each Round the new Groups will be randomly selected.'

Oh thats Great. I May battle another line of Participants next Game, fine!

So choice of Race, according to playstyle and strength of opponents in your own group wont give a free ride next Turn :-)
106 days, 0 hours, 21 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Sirad I'm not sure if I'm being clear... I think you got it, but just in case...

You are in the same Group for all 3 games of Round 1. At the end of those 3 games the Round is over. Half of the players will be eliminated, and THEN the new Groups will be randomly selected from the surviving players.

You have the same Group for the first 3 games, the entire first Round.

1 Round = 3 Games
105 days, 23 hours, 54 minutes ago
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sirad
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@Talespin, okay then i got it wrong.
105 days, 23 hours, 40 minutes ago
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turssi
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Thanks talespin I think we got it even if you keep mixing rounds and games and groups ;)
105 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes ago
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talespin
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Wasn't me mixing them up.
105 days, 21 hours, 5 minutes ago
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sirad
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Games with obviously dead Players should run if all else turns are green....
104 days, 2 hours, 39 minutes ago
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talespin
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I think Group C missed the fine printed rules about letting the Host win. :) That was brutal. Your little mistakes just come back to bite you hard in the end.
104 days, 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
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@Talespin It is such a good idea for a game, it changes so quickly, top of the shop one minute, "where are they now" file the next.
104 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Quadimodoh! Exacctly! I can pinpoint one turn that just decimated me!
104 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes ago
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sirad
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Yap, there is no sense in long trenching. Get some stuff together and Strike down the enemy in one Turn!
103 days, 14 hours, 55 minutes ago
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talespin
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It's been a while since I've actually been knocked out of a game. It's a weird feeling. I don't who organized this, but I don't like them anymore.
103 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes ago
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talespin
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GAME 2 RACE SELECTIONS!

I appears that all the games on in their final countdown, so please send me your race selection for Game 2.

The following are the players who have sent me their choice for Game 2:
talespin
panzerleader
sbor
admital_tightpants
scree
frostriese
qinic
turssi

I will create the games AFTER I receive all the race selections.
102 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes ago
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I really like that there is so much race variety. No race is dominant, every game seems to have a different race winning
102 days, 18 hours, 57 minutes ago
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talespin
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I'm going to give a heads up for Round 2 change: I'm going to add a rule that you can only play a race once within each Round, so you won't be able to play the same race back-to-back or even thrice. Take note that this will not come into effect until Round 2. In Round 1, you can still choose the same race more than once.

Your race choices might look like this:
Round 1
game 1: Borg
game 2: Borg
game 3: Crystals

Round 2
game 1: Borg
game 2: Crystals (no Borg)
game 3: Privateers (no Borg or Crystals)

Round 3
To be determined.
102 days, 18 hours, 43 minutes ago
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@Talespin,

> I'm going to add a rule that you can only play a race once within each Round, so you won't be able to play the same race back-to-back or even thrice.

I think it's a bit late in the process to be making this sort of change. An example as to why is @Treat. As a winner in a Round-1 game, he'll probably move on to Round-2, but he only has reasonable rank/experience in two races.

Please reconsider this, or at least give some leeway for players who haven't extensively played more than two races.
102 days, 18 hours, 40 minutes ago
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talespin
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I have had already a couple people confuse the different between a Round and a Game.

Each Round has 3 Games. We are still in Round 1, so you can choose whatever race you want for the next two Games (Game 2 and 3).

Round 2 will have a new set of Groups and 3 new Games. The rule takes effect in Round 2.
102 days, 18 hours, 19 minutes ago
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sirad
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In that case i have to agree to Talespin. (No offense meant to you whisperer)

To Qualify for the Final Round one Player should be capable of playing more than his one favourite race.

And to Qualify you dont need to win all three of them. I Think this is a fine addition to the tournament.

If you are *good* in one Race, you for sure, know 99% or all game mechanics. So playing another race should be no big problem at all. Those are short and straightforward games, no need to dive tooooo deep into the Races at all.
102 days, 18 hours, 19 minutes ago
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treat
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I have no problem with this rule. My game history only reflects games played at .nu. I've played dozens of games with other races.
102 days, 18 hours, 15 minutes ago
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strixy
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I like the new rule, but that was my intention and motivation for joining this insanity anyway. I wanted to get experience with something other than my one favourite race. Learning a lot so far and have a real blast - especially at my homeworld. ;)
102 days, 18 hours, 13 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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I also like the new rule.

Who will win, the Jack of all trades or the master of one?
102 days, 17 hours, 59 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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I am personally going to honor the new rule. I sent in a different race pick to Talespin. This should be interesting...
102 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes ago
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qinic
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I like the rule
First game I played a race I never played before and I don't think that that was to blame for my early demise.
102 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes ago
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talespin
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Groups A and B have finished with Treat and Sirad the victors. Group C and D are in the count down with Nardol and Theclerk in the lead!
102 days, 14 hours, 14 minutes ago
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To be honest, I don't like the new rule. If a player plays the same race over and over again he is limited in his tacticts and therefore predictable. This should be his own choice alone.

Also I don't like rules to be changed while such a tournament is running.
102 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Just learned something new about the Tow-mission :-D
102 days, 10 hours, 31 minutes ago
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treat
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In full games this is an edge case that will almost never happen, but I would not be surprised to see it happen at least once during this tournament. Regarding the victory countdown, it's possible to win the sector with less planets than another player.
From this doc: https://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/victory-countdown
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The first player, team, or alliance to start the Victory Countdown and then complete it without dropping below the level needed to win will be the winner. This will be the case even if another player, team, or alliance meets the Win Conditions or even surpasses the Victory Countdown player, team, or alliance in planet count while the Victory Countdown is still going. The active Victory Countdown must be interrupted, by a reduction in planet count, in order to begin a new one.
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Thought I'd toss that out there before anyone gets blindsided.
102 days, 9 hours, 53 minutes ago
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sirad
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@Treat:
'In full games this is an edge case that will almost never happen'

Well... so, the 'countdown feature' stands in the same line as all the other well thought, but only half implemented features...

Why not restarting a new Countdown if someone is bypassing the leading planetary count with an actice countdown ? This may be barely one line of code.

If this would happen to me after a long fight i would feel in both cases (winning with less or losing with more planets) being treated unfair.
102 days, 9 hours, 42 minutes ago
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theclerk
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But that is your problem. The rules are clear and I would expect it that way.
102 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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Agree with Theclerk, we know the rules. Besides, we're talking about a hypothetical. Has anyone ever seen this happen? If you bypass the leader, chances are that you will be taking his planets and thereby stopping the countdown anyway.

Btw. in this game, bypassing the leader is even more difficult, because collaboration is not possible. Right @Theclerk? :-)
102 days, 1 hours, 24 minutes ago
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talespin
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I've been working on the Score sheet for the tournament. It really shows how important it is to survive. Surviving not only gives you 1 point, but it puts your planets and military onto the Score sheet. The last two items both are used to determine tie breakers. I'm waiting to see if Game 2 produces different victors. If there are different victors, survival will become even more important!
102 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Yeah, that is why my original plan was to win without survivors but that seems impossible right now.
@Cylon_x together maybe you could have stopped me. But Siggi needs planets deperately to survive that last round.
101 days, 20 hours, 20 minutes ago
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> Why not restarting a new Countdown if someone is bypassing the leading planetary count with an actice countdown ?

This is the way it used to work. It was changed to work the way it does now.
101 days, 0 hours, 52 minutes ago
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theclerk
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So, where do we stand on that rule regarding race selection?
101 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Theclerk To this point, only one participant has voiced an opinion that they do not want the rule to be implemented. While the arguments against it are certainly valid, I will probably continue to use the rule (It's a couple months away yet!). If there were a lot of people against it, I would hold off until the next tournament. For me, this tournament is experimental, so I would like to use the rule to try it out. I'm also debating about putting another tweak in for Round 3. In future tournaments, I think I should let people know from the beginning that there will be hidden tweaks to increase the difficulty of each Round. I get why people would be upset about rules being changed mid-tournament. No one is winning anything in this tournament, so I don't think there should be too much concern. Maybe consider this tournament a warm-up?

One idea that I've had for future tournaments is to create a winnings "pot" to award winners. With the addition of Kin to the site, maybe every player could increase the pot with a certain amount of Kin, nothing bank breaking, just something. Say every player put in 250 Kin, we would have a total of 8000 Kin in the pot, so the top 4 players would get a share of the pot: 1st 4000 2nd 2000 3rd 1000 4th 1000. Although, I think that's a bigger pot than the Championship games, so I'll need to find something that works.

Of course, I haven't run this by the admins yet. I'm not sure if they would want that kind of a set up happening on the site, so I would need permission first. Plus, I would need some way to collect Kin and keep it safe so people can't accuse me of scamming everyone. When my idea becomes more formed, I will run it by the admins and see if it's doable.
101 days, 0 hours, 17 minutes ago
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I would like to state for the record that I am firmly opposed to the race rule.
More specifically not the rule itself but implementing it after the tournament has begun is unfair.
I personally would have probably mixed races up anyway but this seems unfair to those who were gonna rely on the same race throughout.
100 days, 23 hours, 29 minutes ago
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talespin
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Round 1: Game 1 is complete!

Check out the score here: http://nudogfights.strixy.com.

The following players need to PM me their race selection for Game 2:
@Irato
@Neodemus
@Treat
@Darvester
@Gwendolin
@Theclerk
100 days, 22 hours, 53 minutes ago
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gwendolin
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Where do I tell you what race I will use?
100 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes ago
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gwendolin
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You could also put the opposite rule. That each player is obliged to make the whole tournament with the same race....
100 days, 20 hours, 37 minutes ago
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talespin
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Click on my name and send me a PM.
99 days, 21 hours, 38 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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"Nothing game breaking, just 250 Kin..."
My ENTIRE Kin balance right now is 50 Kin...so...yeah that would be"game breaking," and preclude me from being able to play.
I know another player with a 0 Kin balance.
Some of us actually spend it as we earn it. Kinda like real money.
99 days, 21 hours, 30 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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Also, I am fitmly in SUPPORT of the race variant rule. And it should be per game, not just per round.
Not only does this rule Force players to show flexibility, but it also solves the Robot problem of having 4x mines on such a small map. At least the same player can't simply cruise through the whole tournament with One Tactic.
99 days, 21 hours, 8 minutes ago
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theclerk
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He also cannot do this if there a two Robots in a game. Or a player who just builds high tech beams on a few ships.
Using every race once in the whole tournament (9 games) seems very restrictive and is not what i signed up for. Do it next time.
99 days, 20 hours, 37 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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Hmmm, the Lizards, Privateers and Birdmen also won, two of them with a much higher planet count than @Treat ... but we have a "Robot problem". Actually, I did have a huge "Robot problem" in my game, too, namely the Birds. LOL.

If anything, we seem to have a cloaker race problem, because three out of the four games were won by cloaker races. ;-)

Actually, its a great game format, well balanced and anyone can win. Heck, Group C was won by a Privateer against FOUR "Anti-Privateer" races (3 Fascist and 1 Lizard). Well done @Nardol!

Can't wait for the next game to start.
99 days, 20 hours, 21 minutes ago
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talespin
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If you look at the description I gave for the "race" rule, you can see that the rule restricts races within each Round. So you could play Robots in Round 1, but only 1 of the 3 games. Then you could play Robots in Round 2, but only 1 of the 3 games. And so on...

Anyway, I am leaning toward not changing the rules in this current tournament. I'll confirm before Round 2 starts.
99 days, 18 hours, 12 minutes ago
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nardol
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Thanks Cylon_x! I've always prided myself on never being too conventional. ; )
99 days, 17 hours, 30 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Of corse in this format there are races with huge advantages and races that will have a very hard time. I dare to predict that we won't see anyone playing Borg here for instance.

But that was clear to anyone who joined this intense madness. In my opinion Robots are the only carrier race worth playing here.

In a real game cloaking races depend on hitting their enemy hard in the early game because they have hard times later on. This is the balance of the game.

Here, there is no late game. Hence cloaking races have the edge. But again, that was clear from the start.
99 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes ago
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admital tightpants
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And absolutely nothing you just said justifies not changing the standard rules to align with the NEW parameters of this unique game format.
You make a unique map, it is your right (and responsibly?) to change the other parameters to come into alignment with that new map.
Clearly, the Robot 4x minelay was designed with large maps in mind.
99 days, 16 hours, 20 minutes ago
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theclerk
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The sentence "But again, that was clear from the start." does exactly that.
99 days, 15 hours, 37 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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Before this thread devolves into bickering over "what was said and (assumed to be) promised", remember that:

"There is no prize. This isn't the Nu Championship games. It's meant to be a fun and competitive tournament."

Folks, let's not squabble and stress over what we might assume to be the "correct" set of rules. Let us just have fun with it.

99 days, 15 hours, 20 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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Yes, Robots have a big advantage with laying mines (intended for larger maps) but also a huge disadvantage of lacking resources to build ships (again due to the small map). Overall, I think it balances out quite well. In fact, everything in planets was originally intended for 500 planet maps. Privateer accelerators, Lizard ground attack, Hyperjumping Probes, Fireclouds, etc. I don't see the need to adjust anything, except individual tactics to deal with the situation at hand.
99 days, 13 hours, 26 minutes ago
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turssi
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I`m checking game D and what happened to Gwendolin was just cruel :D
99 days, 13 hours, 25 minutes ago
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@Talespin,

> There is no prize.

Actually, there is. Three players earned the Minor Victory badge (required for Rear Admiral) and one earned the Victory badge (required for Vice Admiral). With eight more games to go in this round, there could be eight more badges awarded, just in this round.
99 days, 12 hours, 32 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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@Whisperer: "Actually, there is"

Well then, back to bickering then. Still, I think we shouldn't let this divert us from the spirit of the game-- that is, to have a fun and challenging environment that's different from the normal set of games.

That said, even if you've already won the Minor Victory badge with your "chosen" race, earning another doesn't necessarily improve your position, does it? You've already won that one. Roll with the punches and try earning the same badge with a different race. Anyway, my two credits.
99 days, 12 hours, 16 minutes ago
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turssi
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Awesome plays from the winners of group C and D. Recommended watching for sure!
99 days, 11 hours, 34 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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@Turssi: Did you see what happened to me on turn 16? It was definitely my "Oops" moment for game D (So much respect for Siggi after that one).

That game was intense-- no starbase and trying to survive on a handful of cloakers. XD
99 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes ago
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turssi
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@jonnydoh: I didn't see all the details but this is certainly a configuration where luck, determination, skill and best laid plans all are measured equally. If you're lacking in one of the four, then you're out!
99 days, 8 hours, 4 minutes ago
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sirad
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@Turssi:

As for my roll, all i had was dumb luck.

My right Lizard neighbour and i made 2 times the nearly exactly same moves!. (in that small area strategical decisions are similar as the row of most usable ships built are too) He unfortunately failed, hitting mines and lost key ships, i not hit a mine and succeeded. So it ended. Also i had the advantage of my Left neighbour killing himself by getting FOF'd without enemy involved by not settling planets. He was just so kind to leave behind a ex-amorphous world full with pop-supplies.

No long outthought strategy involved by me...
Just plain straightforward killing.


99 days, 1 hours, 45 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Gwendolin I need you to send me your race selection for Game 2. If you're planning to not continue, I need to know. This is the fourth or fifth notification.
99 days, 1 hours, 39 minutes ago
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talespin
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I wanted to give a suggestion to all players: Be aware of your military score. I'm predicting that Military Score will decide a few ties, so you should review how to build up your Military Score. Of course, you (we) have to survive to have your Military Score count. :)

https://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/military-score
98 days, 22 hours, 46 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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Sacrificing your entire fleet in the very last turn to gain 1 planet more, however, beats any military score.

In the 1-but-last turn, it may even help you stay alive, beats any planet count!
98 days, 22 hours, 14 minutes ago
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talespin
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All Race Selections are in. Stand by for game posts!
98 days, 22 hours, 12 minutes ago
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gwendolin
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I think I sent you 2 or 3 PM already, but I do not do it better. My race is the Klingons (Fascist)
98 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes ago
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talespin
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I got it. Thank you!
98 days, 20 hours, 49 minutes ago
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talespin
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Oh Group C...
98 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes ago
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talespin
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Round 1: Game 2

Group A: https://planets.nu/#/sector/308180
Password: 44r

Group B: https://planets.nu/#/sector/308184
Password: 1ws

Group C: https://planets.nu/#/sector/308185
Password: 60n

Group D: https://planets.nu/#/sector/308187
Password: DAQ

*There are a few lonely single planets on the maps. If you find your homeworld is on one of those planets, please let me know so I can remake the map. I've made a bunch of these games and remade a bunch more, so mistakes are possible. Please let me know if you find any mistakes in the game creation. Otherwise, feel free to join your Group's game and get started!
98 days, 19 hours, 40 minutes ago
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qinic
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Now that is some funny race turnouts
98 days, 19 hours, 24 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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Indeed. Time for a new (Grand Dogfight II) thread?
98 days, 19 hours, 21 minutes ago
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treat
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One Robot! The sky is falling!
98 days, 18 hours, 37 minutes ago
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whisperer
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> One Robot!

In a game with no Colonies, but five players with cloaking. That will be an interesting game to watch.
98 days, 18 hours, 34 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Mcnimble I plan to make a new thread for Round 2.
98 days, 18 hours, 27 minutes ago
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turssi
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Man I'm pumped for this one :D
98 days, 18 hours, 15 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Turssi Me too! I doubt I'll win, but I'm going to have a lot of fun cause havoc!
98 days, 18 hours, 10 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Group D had no Colonies last game either. Did not help the Robot :-D
98 days, 18 hours, 0 minutes ago
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cylon_x
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Grmpf ...
98 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes ago
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sirad
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Omg. so many crystals.
98 days, 17 hours, 39 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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Heck, so many Lizards! Loki's and LCC hell.
98 days, 14 hours, 17 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Panzerleader The passwords are listed in this thread.
98 days, 14 hours, 7 minutes ago
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talespin
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I've missed two turns in my regular games since I've been doing this tournament oof..
98 days, 1 hours, 13 minutes ago
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talespin
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Game 2 is prepared for all Groups! Go ahead and join your group. The password is below.

Round 1: Game 2

Group A: https://planets.nu/#/sector/308180
Password: 44r

Group B: https://planets.nu/#/sector/308184
Password: 1ws

Group C: https://planets.nu/#/sector/308185
Password: 60n

Group D: https://planets.nu/#/sector/308187
Password: DAQ

*There are a few lonely single planets on the maps. If you find your homeworld is on one of those planets, please let me know so I can remake the map. I've made a bunch of these games and remade a bunch more, so mistakes are possible. Please let me know if you find any mistakes in the game creation. Otherwise, feel free to join your Group's game and get started!

Here are the Race Selections:

Irato Lizards
Lord_Kelemvor Crystals
Morgan_Kell Lizards
Neodemus Privateers
Qinic Crystals
Scree Lizards
Treat Birds
Turssi Evil Empire

Group B:
Acollingwood Fascists
Darvster Lizards
Frostriese Crystals
Morgens Fascists
Ndek Fascists
Shodan Colonies
Sirad Colonies
Strixy Privateers

Group C:
Admital_Tightpants Privateers
Mcnimble Crystals
Nardol Privateers
Panzerleade Fascists
Quasimodoh! Lizards
Sbor Crystals
Solrust Lizards
Talespin Crystals

Group D:
Cylon_X Robots
Gwendolin Fascists
Jonnydoh Crystals
J-Zan Crystals
Robber_Baron Lizards
Siggi Lizards
Tenelid Birds
Theclerk Lizards
97 days, 19 hours, 1 minutes ago
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turssi
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Waiting for the last two players to join and complete 1st turn to kick off game 2 round 1 group A!
97 days, 18 hours, 32 minutes ago
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morgens
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Oh boy, i dont have premium at the moment (their paypal is broken and i dont have a credit card for stripe) and cant join the game because its not allowed to join that many games as a normal user. Sucks, ill try to email them to see if there is a way to pay manually or something. Sorry group B!
97 days, 17 hours, 20 minutes ago
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ndek
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Acollingwood is also still missing.
Come on, Morgens, join the cage!
97 days, 16 hours, 39 minutes ago
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talespin
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lol the cage
97 days, 16 hours, 23 minutes ago
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turssi
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Group A only waiting on the pirates of Neodemus. Cage 7/8 parts full :-)
97 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes ago
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talespin
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Strixy will update when everyone has joined. I believe needs to link player to their ID.
97 days, 16 hours, 3 minutes ago
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strixy
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Kinda of. I could push the new code anytime and it'll manage when displaying historic or new games, but I have to fix a bug in the scoring. Somehow I ended up waaaay ahead of everyone else. ;) I'll have something online in about 8 hours from the time of this post (~ 04:45 NST (Nu Standard Time). I can't promise that'll include scoring, but the new games will be posted.
97 days, 14 hours, 50 minutes ago
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blackskull
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"@Mcnimble I plan to make a new thread for Round 2."

And I plan to write a third novel...any chance you'll do this before I do that? =}
97 days, 8 hours, 57 minutes ago
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Dogfight scoring site has been updated with the new games. Alas, there is still a bug in scoring so I'll have to squash that before I release it. In case you missed it above, the site is located at http://nudogfights.strixy.com If you would like to jump in and help out send me a PM.
96 days, 21 hours, 51 minutes ago
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neodemus
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i get msg errors
@talespin,
yes i want to participate in second round
its Privs for me als always
96 days, 21 hours, 47 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Neodemus I did receive your PMs. If you look a few posts earlier than this, you will see that all Game 2s have been created. The password is with the link. If you're still unable to get started, let me know and I'll see what I can do.
96 days, 21 hours, 39 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Acollingwood Your group is waiting for you to begin Game 2. Fight on!
95 days, 21 hours, 5 minutes ago
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acollingwood
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@talespin So sorry These threads are a lot to go through. I will try and be more aware
95 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes ago
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talespin
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Glad you're still with us! I'll start a new thread every time there's a new game!
95 days, 21 hours, 0 minutes ago
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sirad
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Well, I don't want to be the pressing one but eh, but there must be a waiting limit until a player has time to sign for the next game. It was expected this tourney may take months so Noone could be surprised....
95 days, 19 hours, 51 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Sirad I'll come up with some guidelines for the next sign-up/game.
95 days, 19 hours, 49 minutes ago
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talespin
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I do a lot of personal messages and emails to contact people. If you respond to me, then I know you're still in. If someone needed a day or two before signing up, I wouldn't mind an exception. As I just said, I'll come up with some concrete guidelines for it, so it's clear.
95 days, 19 hours, 21 minutes ago
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talespin
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(This is just a draft. Please let me know if you have a concern.)

Nu DogFights Sign-Up Process

NOTE: With this process, there could be a four-day gap between each game. The idea is to maintain a fast-paced always-moving tournament, so we want to avoid long gaps between games.

**All messages should be sent via Private Message to talespin.

After the last game has finished and the new game has been announced, all players will have 48 hours to send in their race selection. If no selection has been made and no message has been received, an alternate player may be asked to take over that spot for the remainder of the tournament.

NOTE: Talespin’s race selection will be sent to a third party, before any of the other selections are made.

Once all race selections are in, games will be created. All four games will be set to PAUSE, so they will not automatically start. All games will be announced at the same time, and their passwords will be included with this announcement.

NOTE: Map balance will be monitored for extreme starting conditions. If your homeworld is on an isolated planet, you can request the map to be remade. You must make this request before the game is unpaused.

After the games have been created and announced, players have 48 hours to sign up for their game. If the player has not taken a slot in the game and no message has been received, an alternate player may be asked to take over that spot for the remainder of the tournament.

Once all slots in all four games have been filled, the pause will be lifted and the games will begin.

NOTE: Asking for an extra 24-48 delay between games is acceptable.
95 days, 19 hours, 7 minutes ago
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mcnimble
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For the sake of the replacement players - to what extent are they eligible for winning? Do they have to score all points by themselves? Do they gain, dunno, 50% of points of their predecessor? Would this be different in Round 1, 2, and especially the last round with only one pool?

Because a replacement player in the very last game that wins the tournament is going to upset players that played 9 games. Maybe 50% round 1 (because incentive for the replacement player), 25% round 2, 0% round 3? Always with zero planets and zero military score, so winning 1 game is not enough to win the last round.

Although, thinking a bit longer, round 3 maybe should not have replacement players at all.
95 days, 18 hours, 46 minutes ago
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darvster
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If a player drops in round 2, the spot should be offered to the highest scoring player in round 1 who didn't qualify. If they decline then the 2nd highest scoring player in round 2.

If a player drops in round 3 then the highest scoring player from round 2 should be offered the place first

This way the the replacement player pretty much deserves a place by their own merit of coming close in the previous round.
95 days, 18 hours, 44 minutes ago
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tenelid
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I like your proposal a lot Darvster. Seems most far to me.
95 days, 16 hours, 55 minutes ago
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talespin
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Don't worry, folks! By the time the tournament is over, all the rules will be hashed out! :) At least I'll be ready for the next tournament :D

One thing you have to remember is that I need to have 8 players in each game, in order to make them public.

@Darvster Yes, good idea. I'll add something like to the rules. A player who's been in the tournament in previous rounds should be offered the spot before a new player.

Good stuff, guys. Thanks.
95 days, 14 hours, 11 minutes ago
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turssi
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Strixys upgraded site looking real sweet, loving it!
94 days, 7 hours, 10 minutes ago
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strixy
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Hey all, I have updated the scoring site to include the scores from game 1 of round 1 for all groups. It's automated so the scores will change as the situation changes. I intend to be the first one killed off in game 2 so I can test that. Yeah, yeah... that's toooooootaly why.

http://nudogfights.strixy.com

Also, thanks @Turssi :)
92 days, 16 hours, 48 minutes ago
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turssi
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Groups D and B keeping the pace. The rest of us are taking round 2 slow it seems. Happy mother's day!
92 days, 7 hours, 38 minutes ago
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strixy
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In group B the winner of game 1, Sirad, is the first out in game 2. What a format!! Go dogfights!
92 days, 7 hours, 11 minutes ago
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sirad
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I thougt, let some space for those who are not qualified yet :-)
92 days, 1 hours, 39 minutes ago
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talespin
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@Sirad lol I believe it. I'm losing games because it would look bad if I won my own tournament. :D
92 days, 1 hours, 11 minutes ago
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morgens
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@Sirad well played, that were some of the most gambling turns i ever had to do. This format is great. Spending an hour thinking how to move 3 ships haha
91 days, 22 hours, 8 minutes ago
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sirad
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@morgens: I continue looking at your game, interesting stuff. For me it was kinda of what to do, has to be done :-) It feels great if you can experiment a bit around...

@Talespin: Sometimes RNG gives, sometimes RNG takes :-). In another game i managed to kill 2 full stocked rushes with a single Gorbi, leftsided, surviving with 94% damage. So kinda of my luck was used up for now---
91 days, 15 hours, 33 minutes ago
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neodemus
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so what, I just got RUSHED ... by a Gorbie
:-P
91 days, 14 hours, 57 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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I do have to add that I think a galaxy arranged in a more or less equal, radially aligned formation is somewhat of a danger. Players can "guess" where their opponent's homeworlds are at and send their biggest ships.

I prefer the maps from game 1, even though you might be stuck in a less than favorable position. At least your home is a bit more "hidden" than the ones in game 2.

Otherwise, I still love this format, even though I had to eat the front end of a battleship.
91 days, 13 hours, 58 minutes ago
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turssi
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@neodemus: hey, no speaking about the game! Someone could be able to deduct what happened to you from that... ;-)

But yeah, group A second game saw two players eliminated by the turn 6 FoF increase to 2 planets. Part of it could be related to what Jonnydoh mentioned above. Or not. But yeah the even mix cluster from round 1 was a bit more challenging with regards to guesstimating HW locations than the one I see in round 2 game.
91 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes ago
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jonnydoh
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@Turssi: Definitely what happened in Group D. I Failed in the FoF. Canny enemy(ies) defeated me (You'll see who once game is over and you can review it).
91 days, 1 hours, 44 minutes ago
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talespin
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I'm not going to be that picky over the maps, but what I will do is make sure that all maps in all four games are similar. If one looks like a spiral, then all four will.
90 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes ago
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siggi
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While I can not of course go into any detail while the game is ongoing I can almost guarantee map has nothing to do with this.
HW guessing is always more of an art than science.
90 days, 21 hours, 32 minutes ago
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turssi
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@siggi: The EE disagrees :)
90 days, 20 hours, 15 minutes ago
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siggi
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@Turssi well the EE is a blunt instrument and has no art in it :)
90 days, 18 hours, 10 minutes ago
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turssi
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Yeah the EE is pretty great when you put it like that Siggi!
90 days, 17 hours, 8 minutes ago
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whisperer
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Just doing some housekeeping.

> Round 1: Game 2
> Group C:
> Talespin Crystals

This matches the information I previously received from Talespin.

I have also received his selection for Game 3.
90 days, 16 hours, 32 minutes ago
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siggi
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One question though.
In the event of a group having less than 4 players who actually earn points how would you go about things?
Because right now it does seem like a possibility.
90 days, 16 hours, 8 minutes ago
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talespin
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I hope not lol We'll see, I guess.
90 days, 16 hours, 4 minutes ago
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turssi
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If you can still who was eliminated and in which order, then that could be used as an additional tie breaker if less than four score points in a group.
89 days, 23 hours, 40 minutes ago
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sirad
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2nd Game looks like everyone adapted.

3 Lizards on Top i.e. All Cloaker races leading.

What will it be at the end ?
86 days, 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
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talespin
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Well, looks like I'll probably get knocked out of my own tournament. Well played, Commanders of C block.
86 days, 8 hours, 59 minutes ago
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strixy
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Sounds like you're appropriately motivated to host a B side. ;) I'm in!
86 days, 8 hours, 48 minutes ago
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talespin
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When we reach Round 3, maybe I'll host a consolation game or two. I could certainly use the practice with these close-quarters blitz-like games.
84 days, 11 hours, 53 minutes ago
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nardol
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Well Talespin, I may have taken you out, but I'm right behind you. Made a basic mistake with a PE setting and it cost me.
82 days, 16 hours, 55 minutes ago
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ndek
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bump
82 days, 15 hours, 29 minutes ago
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qinic
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Seams that this round has some hard fought matches
80 days, 20 hours, 8 minutes ago
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turssi
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I`m out, but there`s a small chance to make it, so looking forward to Round3!
80 days, 20 hours, 2 minutes ago
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morgan kell
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tell me your strategy for this turn and I'll let you know if you'll make it ;)
80 days, 19 hours, 56 minutes ago
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theclerk
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" Get up. Move faster." - Azeem Edin Bashir Al Bakir
80 days, 19 hours, 53 minutes ago
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talespin
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I enjoyed that movie :D
80 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes ago
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talespin
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I think most everyone has a chance to move on to Round 2. If a player were to win or even just survive Game 3, there's a very real chance of placing in the top 4 of their Group.
79 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes ago
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ndek
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*bumb*
71 days, 2 hours, 22 minutes ago
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theclerk
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Come on guys, kill your opponents! I want to move on to game 3.
Got some nasty plans and I don't know if I can remember them much longer ;-).
71 days, 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
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sirad
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FoF will get them for sure, if they dont fight...
71 days, 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
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siggi
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Just take your time guys, the more Theclerk forgets the better;)
70 days, 22 hours, 48 minutes ago
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j-zan
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As someone desperate to sneak into the next round after game 3 -- yes, please take your time.

Let's see if Theclerk can forget where the "Build" button is. ;) Remember, it's confusing, but the SB build says "Mark your Turn as Ready"... it's definitely not that green thing that says build, nope....

70 days, 20 hours, 25 minutes ago
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talespin
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Just a general thought: If any player sees next to no combat until after Turn 10, that player is going to get off to a much stronger start than those who have engaged two+ races by Turn 5/6. Get in there and fight!
70 days, 20 hours, 10 minutes ago
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theclerk
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I agree that you should not let your neighbour develop in peace. Especially if he is one of the slower races like Crystal / Robot.
Knocking out one neighbour early gives you the spave and time needed to develop.
70 days, 18 hours, 50 minutes ago
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regicide
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Unless Theclerk is next to you.
70 days, 17 hours, 28 minutes ago
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theclerk
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In that case killing your neighbour would be a bad idea ^^
70 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes ago
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talespin
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There is a quiet lull in the action with Games A, B, and C, so I'm going to take this opportunity to move Nu Dogfights into a new thread. I think nearly 450 comments is long enough :D Please do not comment in this thread anymore - I personally plan to set it to "ignore". I'll post the new thread shortly.
68 days, 15 hours, 58 minutes ago
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qinic
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new thread
http://play.planets.nu/#/activity/4208676
31 days, 21 hours, 40 minutes ago
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regicide
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In case they did not see the new thread. time to get your race Selections in.

After 72 hours+ of publishing notice for Race Selections, I have given the following players another 24 hour notice. On top of notices in the activity feed, I have also sent private messages. There's not much else I can do, so I will start looking for replacements Saturday morning (24 hours from this post).

@Neodemus
@Scree
@Admiral_Tightpants
@Tenelid


Possible replacements (in priority order): @Dines @Stressed @Sudakan

link for new thread.

http://play.planets.nu/#/activity/4208676
28 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes ago
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regicide
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Game 3 has now started. time to Join your game.