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1812 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes ago

Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the site? Or could someone define it?

1812 days, 5 hours, 12 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

Control x planets by turn y or get eliminated = dead.

1812 days, 5 hours, 7 minutes ago

unknown

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

Don't listen to ville, he's just trying to confuse you in the Leo War.

1812 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

FoF will only checked once in a game at turn y? Or will it checked every turn beyond turn y!?

Frostie

PS: to help Ville a little bit :-)

1812 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

and the value means.....?

1812 days, 4 hours, 30 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

You can see it in effect at http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/105318/events

8/22/2014 10:11:57 PM Turn 36 The Crystal Confederation in slot 4 are now dead.
8/18/2014 9:00:13 PM Turn 34 The Evil Empire in slot 24 are now dead.
8/11/2014 9:04:16 PM Turn 31 The Fascist Empire in slot 15 are now dead.
8/8/2014 10:46:08 PM Turn 30 The Privateer Bands in slot 6 are now dead.
8/8/2014 10:46:08 PM Turn 30 The Solar Federation in slot 21 are now dead.
8/8/2014 10:46:08 PM Turn 30 The Crystal Confederation in slot 12 are now dead.

1812 days, 3 hours, 31 minutes ago

unknown

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

I think what snid means is, the moment someone drops to 9 or less planets (after turn 30 in the previous reply), that player can perform his last commands, like moving his ships.

And when the host starts, that player will be marked dead at the beginning of the host order.
His ships will move according to his last commands, but those are dead ships, so they won't engage combat.

1812 days, 3 hours, 27 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

Doesn't really matter unless you are well prepared for your defeat as ships and starbases are wiped out next turn.

1812 days, 3 hours, 25 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

@Unknown: dead ships will engage combat ... if the player set all vessels to kill or PE ... you will have fights with ships from a Dead player.

Seen that often ... nice surprise when entering "unknown" orbits :-)

1812 days, 3 hours, 13 minutes ago

unknown

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

Oh, ok... :p

1812 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

> Seen that often ... nice surprise when entering "unknown" orbits :-)

That is not very propably. As Ville has written the FoF games have unluckily especially for privateers and crystals the killrace feature. So the ships will be gone.

1812 days, 0 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

A dead player is a dead player - ships will engage in battle... if the race is killrace'd then nothing left to fight :-)

for that game setting you are right.

1812 days, 0 hours, 3 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

Trust me, there isn't nothing left except empty planets ;) Was expecting easy starbases with my Lizard FoF but my disappointment all gone :(

1811 days, 23 hours, 28 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

FoF was discussed a bit here:

http://planets.nu/#/post/new-release-campaign-mode-upgrades-improved-performance

1811 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

The announcement is here:

http://planets.nu/post/new-release-campaign-mode-upgrades-improved-performance

There is little to know:

Example: "Fight or Fail will increase to 15 on turn 100"

1. On turn 100 and every turn thereafter, FoF will be checked for at the beginning of the turn.
2. If it occurs, the player will die that turn and he can do nothing about it. It is a Fait Accompli.: (Joshua)

"In order to give the attacked player one last look at their turn the FoF check has been moved to the beginning. So your opponent is dead... this turn they will be able to give orders to ships and planets but as soon as the turn starts their ships and starbases will be destroyed. They do have the opportunity to basically raze their planets (with taxes) and eliminate resources by loading them onto ships etc. They can play the spoiler a bit if they want."

3. So, all ships and star bases are killed.

1811 days, 23 hours, 16 minutes ago

mule

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

@Bluejay: THANKS!

"In games where the Fight or Fail option is enabled players who are defeated (less than 15 planets) will not incur a tenacity hit. The Fight or Fail minimum planet count default is 15 but may vary in some games."

One small official note, even when it doesn't address details, is worth more than 20 unofficial opinions. I wish NU spent a little more time on easily found documentation.

Maybe if we had a Forum topic just for rules... Alas... No Forum either.

1811 days, 22 hours, 54 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

OK, so the thing always kicks in after 30 turns? (On turn 30?)
And the value refers to the number of planets required?

1811 days, 22 hours, 4 minutes ago

mule

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

MJS: That you and others have to explain this rather than just posting a link makes my point. That some people still have questions after reading it makes my point. We all use Donovan's knowing it may not always apply to NU. And for items like Fight or Fail we certainly have no other source of information. This is just one of many questions I have seen since I came to NU that are not "properly" documented by NU - as against player opinions and suppositions that are easy to find and occasionally wrong.

Here is my request for the next Emperor: A NU Planet's Documentation Page. This would be more of an accomplishment and longer remembered than any ship improvement. This "Official Encyclopedia of Nu" would have a specific link at default page top and would be searchable and updated to answer player questions.

1811 days, 21 hours, 59 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

Simple: FoF 5 planets, increases to 15 at turn 100. Granted, it doesn't sayy when 5 planets rule applies but I guess its not turn 1 or 2.

1811 days, 21 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

It will say on the game page:

1. If FoF is in force
2. Minimum number of planets
3. Turn it starts being enforced

Example: Leo Championship game:

1. Yes
2. 15
3. 100

1811 days, 21 hours, 44 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

To be exact it does not say that MJS.

Better read it again.

1811 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

"Special Rule: Fight or Fail will increase to 15 on turn 100."

Now I am confused. FoF usually start at 10 for Melee and 15 for regular games. Where does it say Leo starts at 5? Was it in the invites? I would imagine that if it is 5, it is still turn 30.

1811 days, 21 hours, 15 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

In the game description:
....
Win Condition: TotalPlanets
Max Allies: 0
Fight or Fail: 5
Minimum Tenacity: 0%
Minimum Rank: Commodore
....

And then the special rule. So I'd say 5 planets FoF kicks in at turn 30 (educated guess) and then increases 15 at turn 100

1811 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

O.K., here is the "problem." If you are invited to the game you see one game page (That allows you to join). If you have not been invited to the game, you see another game page with no join button (and doesn't have the "Fight or Fail: 5" line). Sneaky cool!

If you are not invited you can go to the game page and refresh the page (Ctrl-F5). The game page that the invites see will show for a half second before you get the non-invite game page. If you want, you can Print Screen (either CTRL-PrntScr or ALT-PrntScr) during that half second and paste it into a graphics program.

1811 days, 20 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

Huh. I can see the "Fight or Fail: 5" line and join buttons and as far as I know I'm not invited.
You sure about this MJS?

1811 days, 18 hours, 27 minutes ago

RE: Is there a definition of 'Fight or Fail' anywhere on the...

Bummer. Maybe Joshua made a special page just for my ID. Hmmm, are $$##&, (^@^*(, and &#@%$^& considered insults in Canada?