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1603 days, 0 hours, 19 minutes ago

ironmike

is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my defenseless ships?

3 VCR, 3 explosions ... but I cant see the coldpain anywhere?

it happened over one of my planets. one fuelless freighter remains as it didnt have fuel it didnt get attacked..

my mines surround this planet about 6000 mines.. no coldpain no explosion

they cant cloak after combat can they

1602 days, 23 hours, 15 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

When a cloaked ship sets a primary enemy, it can attack that enemy ship while cloaked. This works great against freighters where there is no risk of damage. If the cloaked ship gets damaged while attacking a ship in cloak mode, it will lose it's cloak and be subject to combat with the planet.

That unfueled freighter is still at risk. The cloaked ship can transfer one fuel to it and destroy it next turn or it could tow it away for capture...Ra

1602 days, 22 hours, 20 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

The simple answer is no the Coldpain cannot recloak after combat.

1602 days, 22 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

@RobertKennedy : I beg to differ, @Ra is right.

1602 days, 22 hours, 9 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

RA is right - as long as the cloaking ship is NOT damaged after combat with your ships, it will STAY cloaked - such as it was at the start of the turn - NOT 're-cloak', as this is not actually possible with the current game rules for all I know.

As soon as you are uncloaked by any event in a given turn, you won't be cloaked anymore for all the rest of that turn.

Keep in mind that if the ship is actually damaged either by combat or by tripping on a mine, it will not be cloaked the turn after this, EVEN IF IT GATHERS / LOADS SUPPLIES SUFFICIENT FOR A 100% RECOVERY. This I learned after much time thinking the contrary myself.

This way, your best chance of catching it is, intercepting it with a bigger ship as soon as you can understand it has been damaged in some way. Also release mines at the same time, as he / she will know the ship cant't cloak anymore, and will try and run for it - or, move into the warp well to avoid your intercepting.

1602 days, 22 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

@Robert Kennedy, Yes it can.

As RA said if it took out three freighters without damage so the PE in combination with cloak means it kills / captures the freighters and goes back to being cloaked.

1602 days, 21 hours, 53 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

This is strait from the docs page if you can recloak after combat I would like to see the documentation

"Cloaked starships can attack primary enemy starships while cloaked. If they suffer no damage, or only shield damage during combat, they may cloak again the following turn, but they will be visible for the remainder of this turn. Starships with the Recloak Intercept ability can recloak after combat."

1602 days, 21 hours, 46 minutes ago

ironmike

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

so he recloaked after attacking .. hmm .. seems silly to have to keep a cube there to catch him.. grumble ..

1602 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

After a quick test it would seem that @Ra is correct if the attacking ship does not take any damage it will remain cloaked, and the docs should be changed to reflect this as they are currently misleading.

1602 days, 21 hours, 23 minutes ago

rkious

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

Trade for a Loki , chunnel over to a Ion storm , Get a neighbor Birdmen to set the FC of the planet to mfx . overlapping web mines will do in a pinch(if you have a friendly webber next to you)

1602 days, 21 hours, 23 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

Ships on cloak and have PE fight all ships they have PE with. They can't pick which ship they can attack and attack all in the combat order designated by friendly code.

You can Intercept with a cloaking ship that will target a ship and will fight that ship first and then other ships and then I believe it attacks the planet.

There are special campaign ships that can cloak intercept a single ship then recloak afterwards if they have no damage which means that a war ship will not attack them.

So have escorts around to keep your freighters safe.

1602 days, 20 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

@IRONMIKE: Please review my post again, I edited it after reading these posts and offered you some actionable advice for your remaining freighter...Ra

1602 days, 20 hours, 27 minutes ago

ironmike

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

yeah thank you Ra very helpful

1602 days, 20 hours, 26 minutes ago

olegboleg

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

robert kennedy

i dont see it misleading. your just confusing "this turn" and the next and when the cloaking actually happends.

Cloaking is not permanent. claoking happends in step 2 of the host order, so a ship on cloak mission activly (re)cloaks every turn.

let me elaborate about the turn:
lets say your user interface says turn 30. then your basicly at the start of a new turn and the time is frozen.

At this point your giving orders for your ships & planets what to do in turn 30.
Only when the host runs thesse orders are executed in host order. One could say the time is unfrozen for the dureation of the host run. and when its done, you go to your user interface and its turn 31. the beginning of a new turn. the next turn.

maybe its getting clearer in an analogy:
Imgagine its January the 1st of 2015, 00:00 o clock of a new year and the clock stoped. Your making a wish what you want to do in this happy new year. You think to yourself "man, THIS YEAR i am going to run a marathon" and whatnots.
Now time fast forwards to January the first of 2016, 00:00 o clock. and again the time freezes. now you know if everything you planed for 2015 did go as planned, or not and you make new plans. but its the NEXT YEAR already.

and since all good things come in pack of threes:
this means that the cloaker that has aPrimary Enemy set and fights in that turn, will be vivible during the host run (actual turn), but will cloak again at the beginning of the next turn (host order 2).

cheerio
olegboleg

1602 days, 19 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

@Olegboleg

I was responding in part to @ecatoncheires comment regarding:

"Keep in mind that if the ship is actually damaged either by combat or by tripping on a mine, it will not be cloaked the turn after this, EVEN IF IT GATHERS / LOADS SUPPLIES SUFFICIENT FOR A 100% RECOVERY."

Which in my experience is not correct. As I stated, my ship is routinely cloaked the turn following a mine hit...Ra

1602 days, 19 hours, 38 minutes ago

olegboleg

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

@Ra

i did not contradict your statement. My expirience of theese things seem to be in sync with yours. :)

i just wanted to clarify the documentation that robert Kennedy quoted. Now I am not sure i did a good job there.

cheerio
olegboleg

1602 days, 19 hours, 9 minutes ago

RE: is there any way a coldpain can cloak AFTER 3 of my...

OK, gotcha, good...Ra