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735 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes ago
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xi scorpii
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On the offhand chance that Joshua decided to go with updated names for the races at some point, what would be some good choices?

I'd like to make it clear that it wouldn't be for any political or social reasons, but simply to have cool new names that might add an extra element of depth to the game. So please no political commentary.

I think it'd be interesting, for example, if the Missing Colonies of Man was renamed to something like the "Atlanteans." It's somewhat true to the original concept, but implies other ideas as well.
735 days, 18 hours, 58 minutes ago
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singularity
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Klingon/Fascists: Warlords
735 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes ago
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glyn
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Posts related to a new names for Fascists;

"Capt Chaos: Also too close to "Stormfront" (Stormers)

Let's call them "Cling Onz", and let the Star Trek folks try to sue over that."
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"Dazdya: I still think they should be renamed as "The Reaver Clans". To keep things in the proper sci-fi corner."
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"Balo: They could be named after their general source material, their honor code, and their makeup. "Viking Samurai Buttheads" has a ring to it."
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"Son of Mads: How bout Renaming the Fascists something along the lines of Vikings in Space. Essentially that's what they are. Pillaging and Plundering. I can't think of a good name besides Vikings but there is probably one out there from the sci-fi universe. I'd say Space Wolves but Games Workshop would probably sue and Space Raiders sounds lame. LOL ... Klingons are more like the Samurai but not with their level headedness thats why I say Vikings because they fit the Klingon mold quite perfectly."
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"Glyn: I skimmed through a thesaurus;

Armigerent
Vindicators
Raiders
Partisans / Partizan
Adherents
Fanatics (not really any better)
Zealots (not really any better)
Sectarians
Tendentious
Corsair (more fit for Privateers)

Finding a good new name is probably what the main problem is... might be easier to just make up a new word like was done for the Horwasp."

"Trying to make a word up related to Klingon lore, I came up with 'Kronians'.

The english word for the Klingon Homeworld; http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Qo%27noS"

"I'm leaning towards 'Kronian Empire' myself."
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"Tim Wisseman: As you know. . . I have no problem renaming them. . . I did when V4 came out. . . now picking something good, that is a problem.

"Reavers" or Middle English spelling "Revours" would be my pick."
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"Maitre: I like "The Kronians"! I am inclined to lean towards more "made up" sci-fi-ey names, to the extent that Star Trek race names themselves are invented ... let's face it, every made up word has some root or origin *somewhere*. (For that matter, does Fox have to ability to exercise copyright over general terms such as "Galactic Empire" or "Rebel Alliance"? But I do get that we have to go with a theme.)

To that point, maybe all the races deserve the chance to get in on the theme, and switch to a new more sci-fi-ey name? They should all benefit equally. :P"
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"Xi Scorpii: I was thinking while reading through the thread that any name change would ultimately need Tim's approval. Nice to see he'd already commented.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Fascists renamed ... I think it'd be good if it was maybe a little more descriptive and ominous. "Reavers" or "Reaver Clans," as suggested by Tim and Dazdya, would be pretty cool. Might have a problem with Firefly though.

How about Marauder Clans? Or Marauder Horde (with a nod to Lord Pollux)?
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"Singularity: I believe @Joshua has previously said that he wants to give all the races some new flavour, and as a way to distance them from other SciFi franchises (that they may or may not be based on).

I think he would be open to new names, especially if it could add some new flavour / history to them."
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"Shoomesh: if it goes ahead, we should call them the Khanate. Maybe the Iron Khanate or some such, but something like that there. Basically, they'd be a recombination of Klingons and the Human Augments in the same way the Lizards are inspired by the Gorn and the reptilians from V."
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"Panzerleader: why don't we choose a name from the Babylon-5 universe ? I could see myself playing the Narns, the Centauris,the Membaris or the Earth Alliance etc..."
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"Colpepsi: Confinium - latin for frontier"
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"Commander Koski: . I use the Kzin (that entails it all! Viking pillaging, samurai style - fits great! I'd love to play with giant space-cats). We could change the name like Tim said ... I always think they are more than Klingons. They are a bit viking, a bit samurai - I personally hate the idea of calling them Reavers because for me the idea behind the Fascist Empire is strict, organized hierarchy and strategic, aggressive approach. So they should be fascists but with some other name."
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"Jessilaurn: a solid option for a name: Kronians."
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"Belisarius: Two historically-apt names come to mind of races that have given words to the language denoting their warlike and destructive tendencies: Vandals (as in vandalism) and Avars (as in avaricious and avarice), my personal choice. Huns would also suit, but it has more modern connotations that might offend some people."

"Black Knight: If you consider the icon for the Fascists, which to me looks like some sort of planetary alignment, how about the 'The Kronian Alignment'?

It sounds a bit sinister to me, which I like. The Fascist has always been a race that requires a great deal of subtlety to play and that name makes me think that they have some kind of hidden agenda that I had better watch out for. As in 'when the planets align, we shall conquer all that oppose our reign.'"
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"Psydev: @Belisarius, I like the Vandals name. Not bad."
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"Kofri: How about "Pirates"?
But I would certainly defer to the Tim."
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"Commander Koski: I think the Kzin is somehow trademarked so that's not an option, pity...

Space Vikings would be cool :D

But also Praetorian Horde, Iron Khanate and Kronian Alignment are all nice. I could go with those."
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"Mursu: > Kronian Alignment

I'd play that race!"
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"Mekusi: "Kronians" does have a nice sci-fi ring to it and this is a sci-fi game, so I'd be fine with that as well."
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"Rend Draget: Here is my suggestion for the new names of the eleven races.

The Solar Federation = The Alliance
The Lizard Alliance = The Reptilians
The Empire of the Birds = The Ovarians
The Fascist Empire = The Mercalons
The Privateer Bands = The Pritarians
The Cyborg = The Cyborgs (No need to change perfection)
The Crystal Confederations = The cubians
The Evil Empire = The Brotherhood
The Robotic Imperium = The Androidians
The Rebel Confederation = The Contrarians
The Missing Colonies of Man = The Oblivians"
735 days, 12 hours, 25 minutes ago
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kalam
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I'm at a place where I am kind of attached to the names and any change doesn't sound any better. The associations are already strong for me.

Besides that I sort of think the names are not names given to the races by the races themselves but from an outside vantage point looking in. Almost a historical reference to them or anthropological perspective. Why would the Evil Empire call itself the Evil Empire?

I think this naming convention lends itself well to the character of the game. Look at even the Horwasp Plague. It's and observational name not the self named races. That makes it almost a 3rd person historical account when retelling a game, even from a commander involved.

That's just my thoughts.

TL;DR The races names are part of the character of the game.
735 days, 7 hours, 39 minutes ago
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martinr
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They may have a set name but we all call them differently.

I tend to ignore the official name and abbreviate it or think of its original (which cannot be uses due to marketing reasons).

The Solar Federation = Feds / Federation
The Lizard Alliance = Lizards / Gorn
The Empire of the Birds = Birds / Romulans
The Fascist Empire = Fascists / Klingons
The Privateer Bands = Privateers / Privs
The Cyborg = Borg
The Crystal Confederations = Crystals / Tholians
The Evil Empire = EE
The Robotic Imperium = Robots / Bots / Cylons
The Rebel Confederation = Rebels
The Missing Colonies of Man = Colonies

We all know what we are talking about when we use the official name or one of the abbreviations or who they are loosely based on.

And we all know that even if they may be based loosely on the relevant films / TV shows but they are not exactly the same.

So they are not actually the Federation from Star Trek, Gorn from Star Trek etc.

They are a separate race.

And even when they are a separate race they are played by different people. These people can play them in any style they want. They can roleplay them any way they want and are not limited to the pseudo limits of the race they are loosely based on.

You can have evil back stabbing Federation.

You can have friendly trading Privateers.

You can have honourable ally respecting Evil Empire.

There is no game stating the Fascists have to be played as Nazi's. With every ship named after people from the Nazi party, famous generals or tanks from WWII etc.

Which was the original posts reason to change the Fascists.

So why would Joshua want to change the names?
735 days, 7 hours, 34 minutes ago
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olegboleg
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edit: the privateers are also known as the orion
734 days, 17 hours, 52 minutes ago
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glyn
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These scripts will replace any word you want with whatever you prefer;

Chrome; https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/word-replacer-ii/djakfbefalbkkdgnhkkdiihelkjdpbfh?hl=en

Firefox; https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/word-replacer-ii/

Opera; https://addons.opera.com/en/extensions/details/replacetext/
734 days, 13 hours, 58 minutes ago
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violetta
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Ideal solution - let anyone who like rename uses its script and do not touch others.
734 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
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whisperer
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@Violetta,

> Ideal solution - let anyone who like rename uses its script and do not touch others.

While not seeing a "disliked word" might make a few people happier, it causes problems when communicating with other players. As an example, if a player were to choose to change "Fascists" to "Rabid Bunnies", what other players send to that player will make sense, but if they send you a message about the "Rabid Bunnies", how do you know what race they mean?
734 days, 3 hours, 35 minutes ago
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tom graves
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The Solar Federation = The Democratic Concord
The Lizard Alliance = The Saurian Support
The Empire of the Birds = The Etruskan Entent
The Fascist Empire = The Kronian Authority
The Privateer Bands = The Free Marketeers
The Cyborg = The Cyborgs (No need to change perfection)
The Crystal Confederations = The Luminous Matrix
The Evil Empire = The Echo Empire
The Robotic Imperium = The Automa Accord
The Rebel Confederation = The Echo Insurgency
The Missing Colonies of Man = The Far Travelers
734 days, 2 hours, 59 minutes ago
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xi scorpii
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@Tom Graves: A lot of good ideas there. I like the way you kept the Evil Empire and Rebels connected so that their race advantages make sense.
730 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes ago
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glyn
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I made a UserVoice suggestion for this and linked to this thread; https://planets.uservoice.com/forums/136520-general/suggestions/30990565-renaming-the-races


There is already a UserVoice docket for allowing personal renaming of of the Races; https://planets.uservoice.com/forums/136520-general/suggestions/2330199-race-name-change
730 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes ago
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smn
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Kronian is growing on me. Also as the original Klingon aesthetics had this Mongol vibe going on, Khanate as the second part of the name would make a good and suitable reference to the source. Plus the whole thing with pillaging and the flexible, guerilla-like strategies.
730 days, 5 hours, 0 minutes ago
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son of mads
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Korian Khanate has a good ring to it and fits quite well. I concur SMN - perhaps it can be your first act as Emperor to unite the the tribes and become Khan of Khans.
730 days, 4 hours, 55 minutes ago
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tom graves
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@SMN and how to properly play the Fascists!

Kronian Khanate... I like!
722 days, 15 hours, 8 minutes ago
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glyn
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Only two votes, awwww.... https://planets.uservoice.com/forums/136520-general/suggestions/30990565-renaming-the-races
722 days, 15 hours, 1 minutes ago
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mabeco
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Those are just names, the core is what matters.
722 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes ago
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sonic hedgehog
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@Martinr
The Evil Empire i've alway just called "The Empire"... after all, they're not evil, they're just very bad people ;-)
722 days, 11 hours, 35 minutes ago
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rob73
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I think the charm of this game is partialy linked to the imagination of impersonating a commander of a famous science fiction film series race.
722 days, 11 hours, 23 minutes ago
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rob73
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Anyway :D

The Solar Federation = The Fascist Empire
The Lizard Alliance = The Empire of the Birds
The Empire of the Birds = The Lizard Alliance
The Fascist Empire = The Cyborg
The Privateer Bands = The Crystal Confederations
The Cyborg = The Solar Federation
The Crystal Confederations = The Privateer Bands
The Evil Empire = The Rebel Confederation
The Robotic Imperium = The Missing Colonies of Man
The Rebel Confederation = The Evil Empire
The Missing Colonies of Man = The Robotic Imperium
710 days, 16 hours, 1 minutes ago
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glyn
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Up to 6 votes now.
704 days, 5 hours, 10 minutes ago
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admiral rex star
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HUH ! You guys have way to much time on your hands. You can't change history.

This is like changing the United States of America to the imbeciles, because perhaps that sounds right to you at the moment.

My vote goes with @Kalam - Leave it alone.
704 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes ago
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robodoc
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Just rename the Fascists the Kronian Khanate Klans. That should fix everything.

Oh wait...
703 days, 22 hours, 13 minutes ago
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glyn
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@Admiral+Rex+Star: Please read the original post, and then delete your post.

@Robodoc: Ditto.
703 days, 21 hours, 56 minutes ago
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whisperer
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@Xi+Scorpii,

> I'd like to make it clear that it wouldn't be for any political or social reasons, but simply to have cool new names that might add an extra element of depth to the game.

That is, in my opinion, a far from adequate reason to spend the time required to make this change. Of course, with only 6 votes on the UserVoice request, there's not a lot of user demand for this either.
703 days, 20 hours, 40 minutes ago
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admiral rex star
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@GLYN Am I missing something? The original post talks about changing the names of the races and I prefer the traditional names, whats wrong with that? Does not a membership here, allow for an opinion?

My apologies...I'll keep quiet.
703 days, 20 hours, 25 minutes ago
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glyn
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@Admiral+Rex+Star: "Xi Scorpii: So please no political commentary."

The original thread was abandoned due to the political aspect turning it into a dumpster fire. That is why the second post in this thread has all those quotes in it, it was me salvaging all the on-topic posts from it.
703 days, 20 hours, 0 minutes ago
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admiral rex star
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@Glyn Political commentary removed. Sorry.
703 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes ago
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robodoc
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@Glyn "Kronian Khanate Klans" was meant to be a joke, not political commentary. Its a combination of "Kronian Khanate", "Marauder Clans" and "Reaver Clans" suggested by others. I'm sorry if it wasn't funny. :p
703 days, 15 hours, 0 minutes ago
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glyn
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@Robodoc: It was funny.
616 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes ago
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ghostrider
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my votes yes to change fascist to anything , I like a simple mispelling klingan
clan needs to be changed to , that one should be easier