Some hours ago game Soccerball...

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1865 days, 18 hours, 56 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

Some hours ago game Soccerball...

Some hours ago game Soccerball http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/93476 ended in which I played as a replacement. I participated for 39 turns and improved the rank of my race from 10 to 5. The result was that my sector rescue value dropped from 107.5 to 105. ???

I have no explanation what could have caused this. I didn't drop or resign or was defeated in the little time since this game ended.

Anyone has a hint for me before I write a feedback issue?

1865 days, 15 hours, 26 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

I think I *might* have the answer....
From the tenacity announcement when it was introduced: "If you join a game as a replacement and maintain or improve the current rank of the replacement position you will get a bonus. This bonus is increased by having a higher percentage of replacement games in your last 10 completed games. Can be up to 25%.".

So at some point you took over a replacement game , got the 5% increase with an added bonus of 2,5 probably due to playing more than one replacement game at the time.
Now you finish a game , making the earlier bonus obsolete (since only your last 10 games count) but this time you got a flat rate of 5% and no bonus.
This is probably the explanation. However not sure if it's correct or a bug without going through your whole game history and looking at how many of your last 10 games were replacements vs the last 10 games when you got the 7,5% increase.
I'll leave it to you to check that one out.

This is all a hypothesis on what I know though so I could be wrong. Or I could be on drugs.
Or both.

ALL HAIL THE EMPEROR!

1865 days, 14 hours, 10 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

It has been funky since the last update. I finished 3 replacement games, improving the position (more than 20 turns) and lost 5 tenacity (Sector Rescue).

1865 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

Thx guys!

To be honest, I don't really understand the announcement that Siggi cites. Up to now I had the impression that you get 2,5 sector rescue points for every replacement game with improved position in your last 10 finished REPLACEMENT games and that this points are awarded at the moment a replacement game finishes.
Maybe I'm completly wrong here and you get a bonus while playing (???) and this bonus is variable depending on the number of improved replacement games in your OVERALL last 10 finished games. Would be overly complicated in my opinion and also would mean that to achieve maximum tenacity of 150 you have to play ONLY replacement games. In this case good commanders who do some replacements but also want to play games from the very beginning to the very end are hampered.

Gnerphk wrote an article about tenacity in the planets mag and he explained:
"The amount earned is 2,5% per qualifying game, and it’s limited to the last ten replacement games completed. "

This also was my understanding up to now. It's easy to calculate and would not harm reliable players that want to play not only replacement games.

Joshua, could you clarify this?

1865 days, 3 hours, 33 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

As I understand it, the "last ten games" are the ten games with the highest sector number that you have completed. I believe that's your answer.

Siggi, you're on drugs. That's OK; I know people that never sleep Saturday night without alcohol and never wake up Monday morning without coffee. And me, I'm positively inhuman until I've read a few paragraphs of something.

1865 days, 2 hours, 49 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

Gnerphk, the crucial difference is if sector resuce is calculated on the last 10 finished games of any kind or on the last 10 finished _replacement_ games. It doesn't matter if "last" is defined by ending time or starting time (= sector number).

But my current problem isn't related to the answer on this question. The game I just finished is among my last 10 game either way. So in my opinion only two things should have happened:
a) my sector resuce is unchanged because the newly finished game kicked out another improved replacement game from my 10 games list
b) my sector rescue goes up by 2.5. (This is what I expected.)

But I can explain why my sector rescue should go down by 2.5 when I in fact rescued my race in this sector as a replacement commander.

1865 days, 2 hours, 48 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

th last "can" should be "can't"

1865 days, 2 hours, 29 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

I see. Well, that ought to teach me not to drop an off-the-cuff answer to a serious question.

Hm. Thirty-eight turns; that should be plenty. You took over on Turn 25 with... what, 21 planets? and ended at 37. That's good too... Very strange. It does indeed look like the 56350: Cygnet replacement fell off and that this one was not credited.

1865 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

Using the last 10 games in our list, my sector rescue is spot on. Don't understand how it was higher before.

Looking at Emork's, it should be 110% using the same formula - Soccerball, Zippi, Gamma, and Cave World are all +2.5%.

On the other hand. the Raw Tenacity should be 10% less due to Selah.

So, you are still 5% ahead.

1865 days, 1 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

Here is what Joshua said:

"Replacement tenacity is a little more complex:
replacementtenacity = 1;
replacementtenacity +=(improvedreplacement / finishedgamecount) * 0.25 * (finishedgamecount / 10);

improvedreplacement is the number of improved replacement games in the past 10 finished games.

finishedgamecount is the number of finished qualifying games (max 10). "

"Oh, and just doubled checked the code. You must have been in the replacement game for at least 20 turns for it to qualify."

"Improving or maintaining a position in a replacement game not only gives its current bonus but wipes a loss/drop from your tenacity record books effectively giving you +10% tenacity to your raw tenacity (up to 100%). "

So:

1. Finishing a single replacement game with successful Sector Rescue completely eliminates a -10% a person got for a drop/resign. This is why Emork's Basic number is 100%.

2. The Finished game count cancels out in the above formula.

3. improvedreplacement does seem to be based on the last 10 games you finished in your history list.

So, Emork is back to being .05 behind what would be expected for his Scetor Rescue.

One does indeed need to keep playing replacement games to maintain one's Sector Rescue bonus (bummer). (Although, I guess this does help get more quality replacements).

1865 days, 0 hours, 1 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

Thx Mjs!

So if I put my number in the formula:

replacementtenacity = 1 + (improvedreplacement / finishedgamecount) * 0.25 * (finishedgamecount / 10);

finishedgamecount = 10
improvedreplacement = 4 (3 games rank improved, 1 game rank maintained)

replacementtenacity = 1 + 4 / 10 * 0.25 * 1 = 1,1

1,1 means 110%. That's what I expected. But it is 105%. I'll write a bug report. I noticed some other people complaining recently about their tenacity change after they have finished a game successfully.

I understand now that sector rescue is calculated on the last 10 games of ALL kinds. So for an ambitious commander who wants to play games from start to end a tenacity value of 150% is not possible - no matter how good and reliable he plays. I think this should motivate people to do more replacements. Accepted.

1864 days, 23 hours, 54 minutes ago

fred vom jupiter

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

freaks

1864 days, 23 hours, 52 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

Mork from Ork to Fred vom Jupiter: yes!

1864 days, 23 hours, 49 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

genau wie Du anscheinend :)

1864 days, 18 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

I thought the bonus for sector rescue was 5% hence my earlier confusion.
Sigh....Meth is a hell of a drug.

1864 days, 17 hours, 58 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

Pot is better, tea & food like pancakes, etc.

1864 days, 14 hours, 51 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

@fred+vom+jupiter That's EMPEROR freak SIR! to you

1864 days, 14 hours, 16 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

This is a totally nerdy thread. Sector points and percentages on tenacity best of 10? What has this game become? Siggi, are you on cheap drugs?

1864 days, 4 hours, 14 minutes ago

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

The cheapest I could find ;)

1864 days, 2 hours, 22 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

If you experience a similar problem you can add it as an example to the feedback issue I created.

http://planets.uservoice.com/forums/136520-general/suggestions/6219441-bug-sector-rescue-calculated-wrong

1859 days, 19 hours, 40 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Some hours ago game Soccerball...

Now I finished another replacement game at an improved position and again my sector rescue value dropped by 2.5. Seems the sectors don't appreciate being rescued.