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432 days, 9 hours, 18 minutes ago

fade

Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in which I have no chance (really) but I received a warning about tenacity. Should I worry, as long as I'm not going to make a habit of quitting games?

432 days, 9 hours, 7 minutes ago

beaudacious

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Just leave it go. That lizard will have you dead soon enough :)

432 days, 9 hours, 1 minutes ago

fade

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Precisely my point. But it's tedious to have to keep logging in just to click end turn.

432 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

> Should I worry, as long as I'm not going to make a habit of quitting games?

Tenacity effects the games you can enter and the amount of Campaign Resources you receive.

http://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/tenacity

432 days, 6 hours, 33 minutes ago

fade

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

*sigh*

I'm not going to continue with a game I can't possibly even come close to winning, so I'll just resign. I don't plan to make a habit of it. If that means I'll end up being severely restricted then I guess Planets isn't the game for me.

432 days, 6 hours, 28 minutes ago

lazarias

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Planets is less about the winning and more about the lessons you learn while losing to better players. I'd recommend sticking around and seeing if you can pull out something or negotiating with someone else to carve out a vassal relationship, to see the end game.

432 days, 0 hours, 3 minutes ago

maitre

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Definitely in agreement with Lazarias here: losing, and/or learning some tough lessons, is half the fun of it. One of my most-enjoyed methods of playing is to join a dropped race in a late-turn game, just to see what I can pull out in a pinch; in most of these games I have survived to the end at least.

Another angle I draw on, is to immerse myself in the "lore". as the commander-in-chief, you have to go down with your last ship! On the one hand, it is keeping a clean game for the other players, who see a big void when a player drops; on the other hand, you won't know what might have happened, if you don't stay to the end.

431 days, 22 hours, 5 minutes ago

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RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

if everyone who don't think they have a chance quit then all games will have half or more of their spots empty.
The people who play 40-60 turns and quit because they don't "think" they have a chance spoil the game for others even for the winner.

Tenacity is a great tool for weeding out quitters. I don't even like circumventing it by hitting end turn without doing the actual turn.

431 days, 20 hours, 59 minutes ago

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@Fade: Well you are just down to 95% Tenacity since you resigned... so not a big deal, that amount is insignificant to worry about it will slowly regenerate back to 100%.

FoF was going to wipe you out soon enough... shame we cannot put Holiday mode on for just a single Sector for situations like this where its a chore waiting a week or two to die, or so I've heard anyhow.

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Off topic, but out of curiosity did you play VGAP3 or is this all new to you?

431 days, 9 hours, 2 minutes ago

fade

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

No, I'm new to the game altogether.

431 days, 7 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Welcome, and to add to the discussion: Especially quitting early can really ruin the chances of other players involved (and improve those for your neighbors).
PS you can only log in every third turn to avoid being kicked out (only other players have to wait for host time). And you can always help the end by overtaxing own Colonists to civil war and get under FoF limit faster.

431 days, 6 hours, 53 minutes ago

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@Fade,

> I'm not going to continue with a game I can't possibly even come close to winning
> I'm new to the game altogether.

FYI, the Birds, in general, have a very poor win record. You might want to try another race. Cyborg and Colonies usually do fairly well.

431 days, 6 hours, 38 minutes ago

fade

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Let me just clarify a couple of things. First, I started that game when I was brand new to Planets. Consequently I got off to an absolutely awful start...like, beyond bad. As I said, I won't make a habit of quitting but that one was just irredeemable.

I'm one of the few remaining in my MvM game (which I should've played out before starting other games I guess, but I was excited dammit). And I've since started another beginner game in which I'm doing considerably better.

Secondly @Whisperer I was playing as Colonies in the game I quit. Someone was even kind enough to send me a guide, but I'd already played my first five turns by then and done massive damage to my own position.

I have read every comment in this thread by the way. Thanks all for your input. :)

431 days, 6 hours, 20 minutes ago

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

One of my favourite games was one where I was killed. I did not start the game but the opportunity to play a race while losing was something I wanted to try. So much fun. The games in which you are losing, being attacked, surrounded, etc. can be a learning experience. Never underestimate diplomacy.

431 days, 6 hours, 1 minutes ago

beaudacious

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Generally mistakes made in the first few turns can be overcome.

Something i recommend doing to learn is to create a game with just you and the AI. Play the first few, delete, rinse, repeat.

It is an easy way to get used to doing the first x turns, and goes at the speed you want to play.

I also suggest completing the levels! They are great for allowing you to play with different tactics.

If you want a couple people to play against. Let me know.

431 days, 5 hours, 28 minutes ago

poweron

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

@ beaudacious

I disagree that mistakes in the first few turns generally can be overcome. Sending out ships without clans, not building ships or not the 'right ships' the first few turns are disastrous and at the very least will make you get behing a lot. With luck on good planets and good play afterwards you might still get a decent place on the grid, but not that great start you would have gotten.

431 days, 4 hours, 55 minutes ago

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I play a lot of replacement positions - and I suggest that you can overcome a lot of mistakes done.

Have a look at my old game

http://planets.nu/#/sector/177882

replacement as Privateer ... former commander did not build any mines / factories on colonies.

IMHO mistakes are a pain and take some time to repair them, but they are not a game killer at all.

431 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

xi scorpii

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Hi @Fade. I gave you some tips in the past on how to play the Colonies. There's a lot of info out there about Planets, and you're going to hear a lot of good advice on what to do, because there's a lot TO Planets. It's easy to get overwhelmed at the beginning.

I think the best thing you can do when you're just starting out is learn how to set up a good economy right from turn 1. So I agree with what others are saying. Try to optimize those first turns. You can practice it in the Levels repeatedly. It'll apply pretty much to every race, and the exceptions mostly are races that should be avoided at the beginning anyway. (The Cyborg come to mind.)

If you have a very good economy the game is much more fun, and everything from shipbuilding to diplomacy is easier.

And if you really feel the desire to start another game, I'd recommend joining another MvM game as the Colonies. There you can ask for step-by-step guidance on what to do each turn. Even if it's an AI mentor, you can ask questions in the public feed inside the game. Very often experienced guys like @Decius and others will respond with timely advice.

Here's a short guide that should help you with those first few critical turns:
http://www.gaming-strategy.com/computer-gaming/vga-planets/vga-planets-economy/fast-planet-development/

430 days, 21 hours, 23 minutes ago

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@Fade: A lot of us played the orignial of this game 'VGA Planets 3.0' over two decades ago.

So the game has a lot of quirks born out of the limitations of computers back then... and yet thousands continue to play this time consuming PBEM game that often spans a year long.

So what I want to say is just roll with the punches... you may never end learning things about the game, and you will never stop making new mistakes (and some over and over).

For new people, I advise to use scripts... this current Web Client you are using... is the Old Web Client with 3rd party scripts absorbed into it.

This BB / Big Beefer guy you may have seen mentioned (or his auto generated messages in MvsMs with AI mentors)... used to just make scripts, now he works officially improving the Planets.Nu code and experience.

One script alone, the Planetary Managemwnt Plugin v3.1 , probably saves hundreds of people hundreds of hours toiling managing planets... this makes the game less work for more fun!

McNimbles scripts visually upgrade the Web Client, and in combination with the Idle Visualizer plugin, you can play your Turn from the Starmap instead of scrolling through a ship/planet/starbase list.
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My only other word of advice is less is more, a few good games is better than eight just because it will become hard to mentally keep them all seperate.

Although it helps if each one is a different Race I imagine. I had eight Crystal Sectors at once for about a year and it would take a bit of time to figure out what was going on.

430 days, 1 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Welcome to Planets! I hope you give it some time as I promise it will grow on you.

A great tool for beginners is to 'view' a good (veteran) player's game and early turns. Click on "Leaderboard" and find a top commander for the race you're playing. Next click on their name and see a history of their completed games. You can then choose one of their recent completed sectors and click "view". Once you enter the game you can go to the Time Machine and choose turn #1. Once on the starmap, look over how they send out their early ships, press "o" to fast forward to the next turn, and so on. An excellent learning tool in my opinion.

Cheers, Tom N

429 days, 20 hours, 28 minutes ago

fade

RE: Tell me more about tenacity. I want to quit a game in...

Thanks Tom, that's a great tip! I will do just that. :)