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157 days, 22 hours, 40 minutes ago

THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

THE TIM CONTINUUM

What it takes for admin to decide to apply a TIM CONTINUUM?
Is there any rule at respect?
Is not longer applied?
SDK

157 days, 12 hours, 39 minutes ago

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Sadly I so not answer to my question. Is this because nobody is familiar with this or because this is just a reminiscence of the game and was never implemented in planets.nu?

I have another question or advice if you like to see how to handle a situation in a game.
As I mentioned in other post (about affinity) I detected a something that I will judge "suspicios player"

I will refresh the situation here. Player "P" have only play in games that player "E" is present. Or in different words in 24 of the 26 games player "P" played, player "E" was present.

in this moment player "P" have 3 active games in in 2 of them player "E" is present.
This is a patter, probably later in the game that player "P" is playiing alone, player "E" will show up. You can go to the history and see that.

I now this situation from time ago, and what I do is try to avoid games where player "P" or "E" are present. However same times I start a melee and later in the game "E" or "P" appear. Once one show up is highly possible that the other show up later (e.g when some other player drop).
What I have to do in this case?? Leave the game?
I decided to fight them to death, so far I was pretending I did not know that, but I comunicate with other players in the game, I explain them the situation, show them evicence if necesary, and fight "E" to death.

Unfortunately more recently the same happens. First "P" showed up and later "E" showed up.
From the beggining I was disputing that game with player "R". As soon player "E" showed up I comunicate with "R" and I told him that E and P were a couple of cheaters with a repeated behaviour. However "R" did not demostrated interest in my warning. He said somtthng like "good to know"

More recent in the game player "E" start to take planet from player "P". Player "P" talk to me asking for help and share intel....REALLY?
"P" say somtthing like..."P" and "R" are attacking me, can you help? why yo do not shared intel to me? etc.

REALLY?? you have played with "E" 24 out of your 26,and in all of those game you have shared intel with him and now you try to make me believe that he come to the game to kill you?

GUYS! I have this question? is fair to believe that "E" is using a second account called "P" and time to time but consistently used and continues using "P" to lure people in give away information to "E"?

It his fair?

Not to mention that in this game "R" admitted to have RL interaccion with "E".

In other words after turns and turns of playing a game I ended up in a game against "R", "E" and "P"

REP!! JAJAJAA LA REPutamadrequelospario!!!!!!

My question are:::: IS THIS AND ACCEPTED SITUATION IN PLANETS.NU? AM I JUST OVERREACTING?

will you make it public reveaing identities of this people? or just let them get away with this an move on?

One thing is for sure, it will continues happen...I will research "R" now, I did not check affinity of R with P and E but I am curious

Sincerely
SDK

157 days, 11 hours, 52 minutes ago

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The TC has been used on the site.

A very few times and by the direction of Admin.

They have not given a set of rules on when they use it.

Admin only act if they have a set level of proof.

This level of proof is unknown.

And they allow many instances of possible multi accounts to be blasted all over the forums and nothing publicly seems to be done.

So the level of proof to accounts are one person has to be extremely high.

They have no rules against friends being in secret teams in every game giving one sided trades all the time. As its not against the rules of the site.

So provide your evidence to Admin privately.

But you may never hear from them, ever, meaning they have ignored you, looked at the evidence and decided it is not a dual account, or have done something and never inform you.

In very, very, very rare occasions they reply but never in a way to indicate any rational behind what they did something or how they decided on their action. And never publicly.

Its the Admin way.

So you possibly need a signed confession that the two accounts are the same before Admin will act.

Previously the TC only happened when the 90's version of the software detected a registered program being used without the same host time stamp. Or it detected external interference of the game data.

So previously you could play multiple accounts on the same computer and it not detect a cheater.

Obviously I expect if you try and hack a game the software will detect it and Admin will do more than inflicting TC on the account.

But any software used to detect multiple accounts is not being used or is so bad its not worth having it.

157 days, 10 hours, 35 minutes ago

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Really? this is sade, I do not understand why is that?

157 days, 10 hours, 1 minutes ago

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OOOOOOHHH!!!! now I see
R, P and E were playing together in other games.
Probably P is a kind of retarded that can only play if E is present,,,

good, apparently nobody care shit about this....

Should at least try 'PUBLIC CONDEMNATION"?
:)

157 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes ago

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Dude it happens all the time! The only way to counter it would be to host a private game and only invite trusted players. When your in a public game you have to deal with every type of player. It is the risk you take and if your unable to accept that risk you should should stick to private games.

156 days, 12 hours, 3 minutes ago

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There are only three rules three site rules. Anything else is allowed.

1) Be nice to everyone

2) Don't join a public game with two accounts.

3) Don't hack the game

1) Is not enforced in the forums as we have no forum moderators. When it gets spotted by Admin its weeks after it started. The level that is not considered nice seems to be set really high from the number of flame wars we have. So it possibly should be changed to don't announce death threats or 99% of your post is racist or full of profanities and we will let you do it.

2) Two accounts from one person is not allowed. But bands of friends from different real life friends / same nationalities is allowed (we have a Russian / Ukrainian secret team as well).

3) We don't hear about but its possibly the easiest to watch by Admin as the site will do its own check sums to make sure it all adds up.

So in public games all but you can be in a secret team and Admin don't mind or will do anything to stop it as there is no site rule against it.

So the best way is to set up private games. Add in extra rules about no secret teams. Or get in with a group of people you know and keep everything on the same level as you know you have all have knowledge of each other so it keeps it balanced.

In public games anything goes. You either have to live with it or hope your current games does not contain secret teams as Admin don't seem to want to install affinity detecting software to level the playing field for everyone.

156 days, 10 hours, 53 minutes ago

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Sudakan, lamentablemente esta más que implanto estos métodos deleznables, asi de triste es. Yo en otro juego también lo denuncie y ni caso, es una mierda, yo por eso estoy a punto de dejar de jugar VGA NU, otros amigos españoles ya lo han dejado.

156 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes ago

jovian goose

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Would be a great pity to see such a dedicated player departing. Please reconsider.

156 days, 9 hours, 1 minutes ago

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Time to add your votes:
https://planets.uservoice.com/forums/136520-general/suggestions/31713493-investigate-and-eliminate-players-abusing-multiple

It's been suggested as something the Admins crack down on before, but it doesn't have a whole lot of votes going for it. I recommend that we, as a community, begin voting for this one actively. It needs to be a primary focus.

156 days, 8 hours, 51 minutes ago

rob73

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Sudakan has told only a part of the story. Obviously the one that was more favorable to discredit the other players.

I speak for me:

1. I have only one account.

2. I am Italian and I know Italian players. With them I've done more than one game (Sudakan can find more players ... but I will not say who the others I've played with, so he has more fun looking).

3. Diplomacy is simpler when I play with known players and who speak my same language. Obvious. But I don't make pre-game agreements.

4. I am aware that P and E have done many areas together... their relationships do not concern me. I'm interested in the game in progress and it seemed to me that they played honestly, I don't know the details of all the games E and P did... but I don't care at the moment. I have spent hours of playing on this sector and I'm not going to change my strategy now at the end.

5. Sudakan is complaining at the end of the game ... if he had suspicions he could have said it before. Now he asks me to stay neutral so he can fight E. I should be watching (and maybe losing the game). No, I'm sorry.

6. Sudakan complains but he forgots to say that few turns ago he accepted a large fleet as a gift from another player who had decided to leave the sector. This palyer is still in to build ships for Sudakan. I'm not happy, but I accepted the fact. It's part of the game. Sudakan says that this gift is the reward of good diplomacy.
Diplomacy that has not shown to me for the whole game. I can't help him.

7. Sudakan in a message told me that anyone watching this game at the end will eventually understand. Sure. I invite everyone to read my messages and check the way I played.

I spoke for myself.

Perhaps I did not have to defend myself ... but I think I am a good player and I care about my reputation.

Rob

PS
Just another detail. Yes, Avalon is a friend of mine. He prefers to play with friends to talk about the games when we meet. I play gladly even with strangers.
In this sector Avalon is not present.

156 days, 2 hours, 34 minutes ago

retrobug

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I know two players in RL who are brothers and they ALWAYS join games together (sometimes fighting against each other, but mostly supporting each other).
This is not against the rules and according to the talks they share it is a major aspect for them to be able to play in the same game and share their stories.

156 days, 2 hours, 11 minutes ago

mursu

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If you want to play with friends in the same game I strongly suggest to play a team game. It really gives an unfair advantage if you "very likely" will ally someone you know beforehand in a normal game.

There is a good article written by Commander Koski about this. I'll suggest you all to read it.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/2e3stqjret5vb58/playingwrong2.pdf?dl=0

156 days, 2 hours, 7 minutes ago

dixit

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Its not exactly right, Retrobug. we can solve communication problem.
I explain: this site does not have good messaging system. Private messages do not work, because attached email do not correct always. In-game messages does not allow to talk in forum. This lead players to play together if they find a suitable communication way - site or a program.
So, just ability to read private messages in the site and do not touch email can improove the problem. If admin do not want this, we can find other solution.

156 days, 1 hours, 47 minutes ago

mekusi

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@Airis No te vayas Solo juega juegos privados.

156 days, 1 hours, 0 minutes ago

paudolf

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@Sudakan, stop doing these kind of things... I'm a lucky player, because my wife not only didn't care me playing, but she wanted to learn it and started playing... but, because of your lack of respect and complaints against me and she, she got very upset and stopped playing... (as she only played to have a bit fun together playing anything a really love, not really because she loved the game a lot); in adition, you got ending a very interesting game which got unplayable because of your complaints... I understand it can be frustrating, but also know (by my own), that you usually understand facts in a very paranoic way... you should respect more other players.

155 days, 19 hours, 11 minutes ago

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@Dixit: Is English your native language? Looks like you are a Russian alternate account pretending otherwise.

152 days, 21 hours, 52 minutes ago

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I must admit that I am surprising for the almost complete lack of response to the exposed behaviour of this 4 (or may be 2 cheaters).
I kind of understand the lack of compromise of Admin with these kind of issues given that 4 account pay more than 1 and at the end this is business for them. BUT WHAT ABOUT US? THE PLAYERS?
Why nobody care about this? I wil llike at least to understand!

152 days, 19 hours, 27 minutes ago

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Have you sent this to Admin?

And have they said they are all one account?

As although it's unfair for the players in the game it has not broken any site rules.

And we only have site rules for site run games.

So a 10 player secret team against one in a site created game is not against site rules.

You join site created games so should expect no other rules than the three site rules.

If you think a person is using multiple accounts you can send you evidence to Admin and see if you get anything back

Why not join a custom game with additional rules on multi accounts and secret teams?

They can be exactly the same format as site games but with host who cares about their game.

Then you can complain to a host who will do something about it.

So provide your evidence directly to Admin. If they are a multi account for one person they will do something about it. If not then they have broken no site rules.

152 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes ago

dragon22

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Dont we have a list of these suspicious players somewhere if i can recall

152 days, 16 hours, 17 minutes ago

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fire with fire

152 days, 15 hours, 1 minutes ago

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winter is coming

152 days, 14 hours, 23 minutes ago

xi scorpii

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You're not alone @Sudakan. The same topic has come up quite a few times now.

@Dines started some custom games specifically to address the issue. I think he called them Fair Play. @Glyn and others have researched accounts similar to the ones you've discussed. A number of games have been brought up that were suspicious and there was obvious evidence of either one person playing multiple accounts, or of a strong pre-game alliance. It can be hard to distinguish between the two. In any case, it's not fair at all to other unsuspecting players who don't realize what they're up against.

It's great to play with friends, or to bring a new person into the game and play alongside them. In truth it's one of the best aspects of Planets with all the camaraderie and mulling over strategies and tactics.

The article referenced by @Mursu above, that @Commander+Koski wrote, is excellent in summarizing the problems with playing with friends. The solution is obvious. If a person wants to play in an alliance with friends from before the game starts, then play team games. It's the honorable thing to do.

151 days, 22 hours, 6 minutes ago

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I am a little afraid to say this, but I have to:

Admin: there is enough evidence of COLLUSION!!

@ROB73 (R), @AVALON78 (A), @PINPINUZZI (P) and @EVANGHELION (E) the RAPE quartet

are in fact SERIALS COLUDERS!!!

they RAPEd entire games, and they will continue doing it

PLEASE DO SOMETHING!

151 days, 21 hours, 42 minutes ago

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You are not the only one who is frustrated by pre-game alliances.

And not the only one wondering abouth the complete lack of interest from the admins.
If they would only do as simple a thing as adding to the rules that pregame alliances are unfair.

Until they wake up, we just have to warn all players about joining system generated games, and only join hosted games, where the host will monitor games.

As mentioned, i have set up 2 such games, but they are filling up slowly.

I am also monitoring all new games, and investigating the players in them.
I have stopped one such game, that had no less than 2 3-player pregame-alliances in it.

151 days, 21 hours, 41 minutes ago

rob73

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About me, you are wrong and maybe you should analyze my games in detail.

Consider that some sectors were organized between Italian players (at least 3), also in my games history there are team games… and also you can find sectors where I fought against Avalon ... or other Italian players I met before.

So… about me you're wrong and you have to stop discrediting other players in a superficial way.

I also add that you are guilty of cowardice.
You cry and blame only now, when you're about to be defeated in the sector we are playing... you didn't do that before when you thought you were winning.
Shame

151 days, 20 hours, 19 minutes ago

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@Sancti Stercore,

"But anyway:
- do you really believe, most of the admirals are made without pre-alliances?"

Yes.

151 days, 20 hours, 18 minutes ago

sancti stercore

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i follow this thread and i mentioned "E" and "P" too.
i joined a few game with a RL-Friend an few times and we work together because it was fun. But we did not trap other players. We also found a 3. Player and we work together because it made sense in this game.
after a intervention of dines we stop it. we are together in 1 sector, but we are not in a position to get a benefit of it, so we stay.
Together, we will only join teamgames, because dines is right

and another thing: the history of dixit is very suspicios.....

But anyway:
- do you really believe, most of the admirals are made without pre-alliances?
- do you really believe, you can stop pre-alliances?
- do you really believe, 2. accounting can be stopped?

My intention:
- always be aware, a pre-alliance can be in your game and deal with it.

151 days, 19 hours, 27 minutes ago

retrobug

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The more i think about it the more i can conclude that planets is not doing good for oneself. You have to invest too much time and frustration starts growing when you feel that someone stole your time by playing differently than you think its fair. It leaves a bad taste.

151 days, 19 hours, 23 minutes ago

sirad

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OMG.

This was discussed a million times ?

A Game that rely on 'honorable behaviour of all participants' does not properly work if any anonymous Person can create any virtual account and gets away with it.

151 days, 18 hours, 31 minutes ago

mursu

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The thing is that if you accuse someone to be a cheater, it most likely won't generate a positive response. In this case it seems that the person actually is not a cheater and does not violate the site rules.

However, there might be a breach of the 'honor code' of this site which is very much against pre-game alliances and playing with too good friends as it influences your decisions in the game. And in that case it is the other players in the game who suffer.

Apart from a few trolls, we are all sensible folks here, mostly adults too. If we treat each other in a friendly way, it will generate good things. I strongly believe that the persons in question have not fully considered how playing constantly with friends in non-team games is actually harmful - even if you fight each other once in a while. You are definitely much more eager to help a friend than an anonymous player in case your own chances for victory are low. This alone creates imbalance. And you are more likely to work together regarding ship trades and such earlier in the game.

So please everyone. Use your effort to educate, not to insult. As this is an anonymous site it won't stop everyone, but most of us care about their reputation and want to just have a good time. Have faith!

151 days, 18 hours, 14 minutes ago

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This is a war game, there is no cheating in real war, the only rule is kill your enemy & win, that is unless your hacking, then yes it would be. Everyone has access to the same adorns, same info, the same player manuals. As for friends ganging up on someone in game simply quit, sooner or later they will get the message.

151 days, 17 hours, 19 minutes ago

mursu

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>simply quit

At least you practice what you preach :)

151 days, 17 hours, 4 minutes ago

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fire with fire/ learn the art of diplomacy. learn it to the point that when you are faced with such you can form a team to run them off the map. beat them at their own game, and have fun doing so. Just be careful to do it in a respectful manner. I.E dont killem with words , just torpedoes, but do it with vigor. learn to find joy in it.
there is a difference in folks that play for fun together an a hacking multicounter, about 80% of the bad ones for some phschological need are also verbally abusive, like seeking attention almost .

you can beat them by forming a team without becoming verbally abusive. if you become verbal with them you feed some kinda internal need they have an dont do that. diplo is the most powerful weapon of the game.

151 days, 15 hours, 12 minutes ago

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this could easily spin off into planet nu conspiracy forum. I randomly say that the magic this game holds over us is the suspense of what happens next game turn. We drool over our keyboards trying to picture what the enemy will do to our fleet.
next turn we might even have a new enemy or two to worry about. We take time away from our game turn and go look at the scoreboard where we search for the clue that will unravel the enemies story. Who will be going up the scoreboard like a rocket. How can he get so many planets every turn. why are these other races cringing before the leader, they should be attacking him. Why is my luck so bad do you think? I got good money for selling my sister to those men but I think it might be ruining my karma. :-)
So as you can see the actual doing of the turn actually is the fun part. I don't care about cheaters, anybody continually cheating will get bored of it because there is no payoff for them. But you can make it more fun for them if they get you all hot and bothered by what they are doing.
want to make them unhappy? just ignore them or laugh at them. After all the losers life must be pretty bad for them to act out this way.
I put losers in the same category with giant meteors and other disasters. I got to deal with them but I am sure not going worry about what they are up to. this is a game, laugh this stuff off and you will have more fun.
now the old guy shuts up :-) cu

151 days, 15 hours, 5 minutes ago

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I agree that playing with friends can be a lot of fun, you can have thoe nerdy talks while drinking in a bar and getting people around you guessing.. WTF ???

But you can also have those talks even if you are in different sectors with your friends.

However I INSIST, this is not just about a couple of prearranged . THIS IS SERIAL COLLUSION

We have here players like @ROB73 that have made his entire history PLAYING WITH FRIENDS SUPPORT (or still the chance that avalon is a second account).

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SILENCE OF ADMIN

And I will tell you why....most advance and senior players in this community agree that DIPLOMACY IS MAY BE THE MOST IMPORTANT SKILL OF A COMMANDER,, and that is your ability to make good diplomatic arrangement with make differences in games..

ALSO, is diplomacy may be what make or take most of the time in playing...coordination is real difficult etc..

that is why the load in complications follows this

player with 2 accounts >>>> 2 players prearragend and interacting in RL >>>>> 2 players pre-arranged >>>> 2 players doing normal diplamay

THAT SHOWS that simply having a rule saying not use 2 accounts is not enough, NOT NEAR ENOUGH.

BUT I BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE SOLUTIONS FOR THIS.

At this moment full aliance do not give to much more than share intel

I believe that if you have full alianCe with someone YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO MAKE THE TURN FOR YOUR ALLY. THAT LEVEL OF ALLIANCE

THen in that way you have a tool to compete in a more fair way against secondary accounts.

151 days, 14 hours, 13 minutes ago

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writing in caps letters will not change the fact, that according to the site rules it is not forbidden to join a game with friends.

151 days, 13 hours, 56 minutes ago

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@Sudakan, sorry you have lost the plot.

You say making Allies be able to do each others turns makes this better?

That would make things worse.

I think you have just hit burn out. You are in too many games and need to take a break.

Admin don't like rules. This is why we have only 3. Two of which cannot be automated by software and don't seem to be polliced that we'll.

To cover all your complaints rule 4 would have to be "you cannot enter a game that contains a person you have ever played another game with".

As this is the only rule that would satisfy you.

Obviously after a few thousand turns you will have very few games that you will be able to join or will in fact start as no one will be able to join with you.

Admin don't want this to happen.

And they are not interested in limiting people's access to games with people they have played with before.

So it would be best if you stay away from site created games and join games with additional rules against preformed alliances or simply just join lone wolf games.

151 days, 13 hours, 19 minutes ago

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@Martinr, you said but do not give any reasonbla argument that support your statements.

e.g you said:

"That would make things worse."

May I ask why?

1-if you have not way to control or avoid players entering with 2 accounts or RL players playing together etc etc, THEN YOU JUST ALLOW THE OTHER PLAYERS TO REACH THE SAME LEVEL OF BENEFIT BY GIVING IN GAME MECHANISMS TO DO THAT. e.g full alliance will allow you to manage your ally fleet as it where yours. You simply equiparate thinks rather than hoping the world will be fair

2-will also avoid many games ruined when your ally drops

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you said:

"I think you have just hit burn out. You are in too many games and need to take a break."

I am not sure if take it as a funny comment or an insulting one, I will give you the benefit of the doubt and give you some explanation

I use to like chess a lot, but I was never good at playing long games,, ping pong chess" 5 min total time was always my favourite and allowed me to play many games. The same is with planet for me. I play fast with low lever of detail and that is why I keep being a mediocre player..but at the end of the day is my problem

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you said also:

"Admin don't like rules. "

well lets said that your are "the voice of the death"
then if that is true they should be creating in-game mechanism to create a playing environment that favor fair play. I expect some more creativity. I am not saying right now, or tomorrow, but at least participate in the conversation.

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you also said:

"To cover all your complaints rule 4 would have to be "you cannot enter a game that contains a person you have ever played another game with".

I am not sure what do you mean with "all my complains"
I just exposed 4 serial colluders, PEOPLE THAT IS SERIOUSLY ABUSING THE VACUMM CREATED BY AN ADMIN THAT DO NOT LIKE RULES BUT DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES OF NOT RULES

"CLARIFICATION..CAPITAL ONY ATTEMPS TO HGHLIGHT EXPRESSIONS"

And let be claar...the words in rule #4 are yours not mine

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finally you said:

"And they are not interested in limiting people's access to games ...."

&

"So it would be best if you stay away from site created games ......."

Here I got loss with your circular logic

admin do not want to limit access to games so please do not access to admin created games....

uuuuummmmmmm!!

with all respect
SDK

151 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes ago

pinpinuzzi

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I only spoke for myself and only because i have been “get in” in the absurde logic of Sudukan ...

Yes we know each other and prefer to play in melee because we like that kind of setlle .. and so ? We are italians and live in the same region , we play many games togheter and we became friends ... and so ?

Sudukan you must ask to the admins to check what you want , but is not the first time they check , and they find nothing at all because there is nothing to find !

You could continue to accuse me , Rob or other italian players that had play with me in many games , but the only truth you will find is that we are different players that enjoy this game , and yes mostly time in the same Universe ...

If you are not able to handle this , or understand that , i think you must only play in a Lone Wolf game , because i really think you will find a lot of players that had this affinity as ours ... and if is more simple to you to accuse all this players of cheating ... well it’s your choise , but do not pretend at all cost that is the ONLY truth.

151 days, 10 hours, 43 minutes ago

mursu

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While I don't agree that the accusations Sudakan makes are the right way to do, I strongly encourage you to read the article I liked earlier in this thread. Playing together with good friends in non-team game is unfair towards the other players participating. The article tells clearly why so.

151 days, 8 hours, 54 minutes ago

rob73

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@Sudakan all this is starting to be a little disturbing.
In a message in the sector where we are fighting you wrote to me that you didn't want I close the game with Evanghelion, your enemy.
Now that I'm trying to close the game alone you complain here that I'm winning by myself when I could easily close with Evanghelion. Also You say I do it to get a win on my own.
First of all decide what you want.
Then... I would like to point out that winning a game with difficulty 0.83 alone is of no use to me. I don't need it to grow in grade and I don't need risorese ... I already have all the Campaign toys I need.

You continue to accuse with extreme superficiality.

I don't have to explain all my games, but I could do it.
However, since you accuse me of having based my career on pre-match agreements, I invite you to check carefully.

Upikarium Sector: I win, yes, and Avalon was with me... but this was a MENTOR game... we were learning. 683 points

Reggio Sector. I win in alliance with Prydeson and Siltur... and it was a all italian players sector organized by a common friend. 193 points (not so much)

Kzoz Sector. I fought against 3 Cry players with Rebel and Priv... the 2 players left the game unfortunatly giving me too much. To close the game after turn 100 they offer me a diplomatic agreement. Not my best victory but a lot of fun in fighting. Avalon was in but He was about neutral. 525 points

Campaign, Team of 2, Stealth/Fog: A TEAM game with Siltur and other italian players... not only. Nice fight against Bilbo. 599 points

Big World Sector. A long fight against wasp. I was allied with Klingon. Evanghelion was in... yes I did a NAP with him but for sure not a pre game agreement. I was ready to fight Evanghelion too and he could win but his partner did some bad moves. 450 points

Wally Word sector. Another TEAM game, I was with Avalon. A Robot, like you, accuse us of pre agreement pact with another team... only cause there was a player with a 73 in his name. I never met before... stupid accuses. We won fighting. Check the sector.
I'm not sure but I think in Wally Word sector another player met the Tim Continuum. But that did involved my team.
577 points

So. My career is honest.
Or do team games not worth to become admirals?

@Mursu
I read your article.
In part, I agree, but I believe the facts are more complex.
I don't think then that playing with friends is not worthy.
Playing a lot then you meet players from all over the world, but after having played together a couple of times the situation iscould be similar to that with friends. It would become impossible to play only between players who have never done sectors together in the long run.

Again @Sudakan
Well. I have sometimes played with friends (and fought them too) and many more players here. I did team games too. I try to make arrangements with everyone, check it. It's my tactic, enemies can be found even without looking for them. I fight with honor. I think I'm a good player and if you want we can make a game me against you. Just the two of us.

About Kobol sector... where all of that started.
At the end I will check if E and P did an agreement... P is a replacing player... maybe invited by E. Maybe. I don't know. It's not so far from your decision to accept all the Rebel fleet.
I can say I'm really fighting P... I've lost some ships too. About E?
Yes I met Evanghelion before... but I didn't know he was enetering this sector, I entered before him I think... maybe when I saw he joining the sector I had to resign. Ah ah no way.
Well... unfortunatly I found him really near to me. A klingon... one of the few player in the sector with cloking ships... what I had to do? I suggest cooperation. I'm not mad! I wanted D7 and Saber class shield generator!!! Yes!
You see... no pre game agreement.

Well... i can close allied with Evanghelion, for sure he will agree... oer I can try to close alone this sector... I need 30 more planets or so.
You can suggest... but I will choose by myself bro.

Then... again... you could play with me 1 vs 1.

So all my life is published in this forum now. :O
Maybe you are intereste to know someting more.
I have 2 daughters and I don't have so much time to play planets. My wife hates this game. She hates me when I'm playing planets.
You still think I have time to manage 2 accounts, uh? hahaha

Rob73

151 days, 8 hours, 8 minutes ago

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@Mursu
I am not accusing I just exposed FACTS! I Just mentioned how those guys play together, how sometimes they pretend they don't and I just bring my self to doubt...I always said .."it is posible" that pinpinuzzi and avalon are second accounts
I can not say just suspect

151 days, 7 hours, 14 minutes ago

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Quotes from this thread....
"I am not accusing I just exposed FACTS!"
"...there is a clear servitude relationship from (P) and (A)"
"...there is enough evidence of COLLUSION!!"
"Probably P is a kind of retarded"
"...did you picked up your friend from the same retarded clinic?"
"the RAPE quartet"
"they RAPEd entire games"

No accusations there at all. *rolleyes*

"AM I JUST OVERREACTING?"

Yes.

151 days, 6 hours, 44 minutes ago

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Facts

"...there is a clear servitude relationship from (P) and (A)"

itis a fact, go to the games as I did one by one and then you tell me.

"...there is enough evidence of COLLUSION!!"

another fact, look at the picture that I have exposed and the number of times the pllay together

"Probably P is a kind of retarded"l

my bad :), but....I dont knoooooooowwwww....how old are you pinpin? and you can not play games by your onw, you always need uncle Evan near by? well

If you allowme I will change retarded by "LITTLE MOUSY"

"...did you picked up your friend from the same retarded clinic?"

RIGHT! MY BAD AGAIN!!! Actualy I do not know how to fix this one. I will better apologize for this one

"the RAPE quartet"

Those were just their initials

"they RAPEd entire games"

I believe they did, does and with people defending them they will continue doing it

@Tkarrade then you believe I overreacted? thank for leting me know. I will try not to in the future

SDK

151 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes ago

pinpinuzzi

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Sufukan i reply to you in a kind way , but your statement:

"Probably P is a kind of retarded"l

denote you are really goes too far ...

Personal offense is really braking a rule of this game , and i assure you that admis will be informed of that.

151 days, 0 hours, 22 minutes ago

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@Ninjabunny: Actually wars do tend to have rules. For example, until the Luftwaffe accidentally bombed London, neither side bombed civilians. Also note the lack of chemical warfare and how all sides treated POW (well, not counting German treatment of Russian POW).
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"Pinpinuzzu: Personal offense is really braking a rule of this game , and i assure you that admis will be informed of that."

@Pinpinuzzi: Woah woah woah... you've been here long enough to know that thinking anything will come from Rule 1 and Rule 2 violations would be a retarded bet to make.

Even the Aisits account and his Rule 2 violating puppet account Crab and Raiker haven't been banned... if loading a HYPjumper with MCs on Turn 2 to and HYPjumping straight to Aistis HomeWorld isn't enough evidence to get them banned (if banned it should say so in profile unless they've changed that policy, like done for @Jarosh).
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@Sudakan: They do not seem anywhere near as bad as @Ridgerunner, @Capt+Chaos and @Skyliner. I didn't look closely, but they at least don't seem to be conjoined triplets that can't resist being in the same games.

If you want Admins to take action, you should use the best example you have, which to my knowledge is the conjoined triplets Ridgerunner/Capt Chaos/Skyliner

150 days, 21 hours, 48 minutes ago

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MENAGE A TROIS- quite a few. I am actually playing one again one trio combo of the four below right now

@EVANGHELION (E)
@PINPINUZZI (P)
@AVALON78 (A)
@ROB73 (R)

Battle for the Kobol Sector ( 0094 - ? ) ===== R- P- E

Battle for the Tunisia Sector ( 0081 - 0086 )===== R-A-E

Mad Squishy Melee Scramble ( 0066 - 0076 ) ====R-E-A

Belisarius ( 0057 - 0066 )====R-A-E

Reggio Sector ( 0049 - 0059 )=====R-A-E-P

Modena Sector ( 0039 - 0048 )=====R-A-E

I also like to include the player dixit given that I received private messages telling me about that

@dixit (Dx)

Battle for the Big World Sector ( 0084 - 0089 )===== R-Dx-E

Battle for the Caeladium Sector ( 0080 - 0083 )==== R-A-Dx

150 days, 21 hours, 18 minutes ago

rob73

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@Sudakan

Just a litte detail:
Belisarius ( 0057 - 0066 - ALL and ONLY italians players game organized by an italian player
Reggio Sector ( 0049 - 0059 ) ALL and ONLY italians players game organized by an italian player
Modena Sector ( 0039 - 0048 ) ALL and ONLY italians players game organized by an italian player

and you didn't read my report in my previous message about Battle for the Kobol Sector. Too bad you didn't. You don't want understand, you see only your point of view.

You assume that if a group of players participate in some games they play together to win everytime.

150 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes ago

sirad

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This is one important Statement.

'Actually wars do tend to have rules.'

This only applies to Battling Partys that know each other.
The internet allows someone to (virtually) use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons, without being personally spotted. This lowers the step for those who need to use kinda of those things to win a war.

So, if anyone can do as he please, where do we end with our 'rules of war'? They are, actually, obsolete. Violating those rules (the rules of fair play and the rules of this site here) is possible without being seriously punished for it. Even if you get banned, just set up a new set of sockpuppets and play on. Much better, by violating the rules you can win games by just violating them and as a fine addition brag over it and drag the noses of fair players, into the dirt.

As i already said, this discussion is just a copy of 100 discussions that were started under same circumstances. Where will it lead ?

This will lead to nothin. There is no solution agaionst it. They can play on.

Unhonorable behaviour actually pays out.

150 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes ago

theclerk

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Maybe a good solution would be a system, where you can commend players who were in a game with you. Give a thumb up for following the rules and thumbs down for not following the rules.
Certain games can only be joined with a good reputation. This way, creating a new account won't get you anywhere and reliable players are rewarded.

150 days, 19 hours, 41 minutes ago

sancti stercore

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@theclerk
in most games the "report"-button is mostly used by whines who try to do revenge.

150 days, 19 hours, 36 minutes ago

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@Sudakan chill down, you're out of line. Playing in the same game does not automatically indicate an alliance or co-operation and this is evident when you go in the games and look what's going on.

First four games I opened from Rob included one Mentor vs Midshipmen and two where his alliance was actively fighting Evanghelions alliance. I checked the game history of the players you linked and there is nothing out of ordinary there. Nothing suggests double accounting.

It's a fact of life that people who have played previously in same games are slightly more inclined to ally each other than players they meet for the first time. That's just how trust works.

150 days, 19 hours, 34 minutes ago

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@Sirad
Trying to keep a complex system as the NU community in a FAIR state with rules whose enforcement is voluntary WILL NEVER WORK

and that is true for any competition.

THat does not mean that there are not solutions...

rather than expect serial cheaters refrain of cheating what the admin should do is give the rest the "IN-GAME TOOLS" to fight and in part mitigate that problem.

FOr example elevate the level of full aliance by allowing players to manage the other party fleet.
For example you can tell your ally, you take care of the north fight I will take care of the south etc etc etc..

that is an idea

Also, how difficult is to create a flag for players when enters in the game?
How difficult is to mine the games no look for not only overlap but also level of diplomacy "share intel", safe passage, etc

I am not asking ADMIN to do this tomorrow,, I am pretty happy with the effort and the work they do in this site...but the silence in this issue si WRONG! WHY? say something, talk about possible solutions etc..give the players some hope

AND OF COURSE there is always the possibility to stop playing games that are created by admin...
but I really believe this is sade and bad for our community...

Lets keep brainstorming!!!

SDK

150 days, 18 hours, 6 minutes ago

sirad

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@Sudakan

'Trying to keep a complex system as the NU community in a FAIR state with rules whose enforcement is voluntary WILL NEVER WORK'

This *could* work, but not in the actual state. How about calming down and (for the future) more carefully select your games ?

Rising up over those lame peeps, that need multiaccounts/buddys/sockpuppets just state that they exist. Ignore them. Fight them. But if you get up on them they feel.... noticed? If they feel noticed they continue in doing what they do.

...People fall off from cliffs to get noticed for a shitty selfie. Modern times.

Calm down, the most destructive thing you can do against those, is ignoring them (well and this is a hard task, even i fail on that sometimes)

150 days, 17 hours, 30 minutes ago

dixit

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To do this, we need improvement: ability to set multiply primary enemy on the ships. Not a kill mission.

150 days, 16 hours, 39 minutes ago

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@Smn
In each game @Rob73 have play he is with at least one of this 3 guys:
@EVANGHELION (E)
@PINPINUZZI (P)
@AVALON78 (A)

that is normal four you? fine .. I will not discuss that

@Sirad, I will definitely follow your advice

150 days, 4 hours, 29 minutes ago

sirad

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@Sudakan:

Great to hear, that you calm somewhat down, well i feel with you about that Problem but there is nothing that can be done to prevent Assholes spoiling other peoples games. As this game is a really long running one and the time invested to play it thru is high, the impact on ones 'comfort zone' is really high if you discover there's an ass around.

I can Tell you two Storys about what People are willing to do for a Win.
[both storys happened in the early/mid 90s]

I was playing a game on a Dialup-BBS around my Hometown a Game where the Host was playing too. In a later State of the Game i started to get the feeling that something wents wrong because orders were not carried out properly. (well typically i dont check every ship after the Turn went but i started to get suspicious) And i started to check my Turns afterwards if all my orders and waypoints were carried out properly.

Something was wrong. The next Turns i changed my Password for Vgaplanets and made my Turn. I got back my next turn but my password wasnt changed properly. It took some time but i managed to prove that the Host was hacking my Turns and manipulated my orders. Just setting waypoints 1 LJ to short or setting Ships to other missions. Just small things but small things have large impacts. I called up for help and others checked their (long gone) turns at this BBS too and found out that their Turns got manipulated too. He was manipulating the Hostruns for quite a long time...

Guess what Person i was battling in that Cluster ?

Later on in that Decade i was Battling a Borg and in a long and awful Siege battling him down. The Girl i was living with while that time was Playing Vgaplanets too. Some games we played even together, or as enemys, and a few Years later, this game was long forgotten, she Told me that the Borg oneday (old Dialup-Times Adress research was possible via the Phone number) suddenly Physically appeard at her Door, *totally* Psycho, and requesting from her that she tells him about my Playing tactics.

Well, i wasnt around that Day, if, i would have batted him down all the Stairs down to the street for that.

@Sudakan, some People will do anything to win and a Game where you have to invest a *large* fraction of your Lifetime always helds strong emotional bindings. Dont let yourself get carried away from it :-)

Whenever dealing with all those asses just applies too much impact upon my mental smoothness, i just reduce the number of games or drop some. Or drop all. After all its just a game and noone is forced to deal with stuff like that. Its a fine game but its not the center of life.

150 days, 2 hours, 45 minutes ago

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@Sirad: Why don't you calm down first?

150 days, 2 hours, 36 minutes ago

ridiw

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Off Topic: I would like to see a "Troll Class Armed Scout" spaceship that gains mass from being spotted by enemy spaceships or planets until it reaches maximum weight and implodes with a "blob", transforming into an SDSF with star drive one at current position.

150 days, 2 hours, 28 minutes ago

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Honestly, a premade of 2 players isn't something that will "rape" your games. Just check the players in turn 1, then tell everyone. I had two games with pre-mades myself and we both beat them because it was an instant 9 vs 2.

150 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes ago

sirad

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@Ridiw:

'I would like to see a "Troll Class Armed Scout" spaceship that gains mass from being spotted by enemy spaceships or planets until it reaches maximum weight and implodes with a "blob", transforming into an SDSF with star drive one at current position.'

Good suggestion. we have plenty players and writers here that would get this ship for free.

150 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes ago

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"Rudel: Just check the players in turn 1, then tell everyone."

EXACTLY!

I didn't catch the latest new Ridgerunner/Skyliner/Capt Chaos game until Turn 15... but I shouldn't be beating anyone to exposing that information; http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/294198/activity

150 days, 2 hours, 12 minutes ago

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@Sirad: Dude, calm down!

150 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes ago

sirad

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@glyn: Dude, calm down!

150 days, 1 hours, 45 minutes ago

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@Sudakan,

> What it takes for admin to decide to apply a TIM CONTINUUM?

It takes a provable violation of the rules (http://play.planets.nu/#/howtoplay/rules), specifically Rule-2 (Rule-3 is quite difficult to violate). There has been no such violation here.

This penalty is rarely applied, because, despite what you may have read, it's quite difficult to actually prove that more than one game slot are in use by the same person, and not friends getting together or multiple players from the same home or business, and completely impossible without access to the game logs.

150 days, 1 hours, 22 minutes ago

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"Whisperer: It takes a provable violation of the rules (http://play.planets.nu/#/howtoplay/rules), specifically Rule-2 (Rule-3 is quite difficult to violate). There has been no such violation here.

This penalty is rarely applied, because, despite what you may have read, it's quite difficult to actually prove that more than one game slot are in use by the same person, and not friends getting together or multiple players from the same home or business, and completely impossible without access to the game logs."

@Whisperer: How can you possibly know if there was no Rule 2 violation? If no one can prove two accounts belong to one person, how do you magically accomplish the inverse? Do you even think before you post?

150 days, 1 hours, 9 minutes ago

retrobug

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Glyn, i have a good idea.
why don't you just open up a site your own, where you can identify cheaters, trolls, or people you just dislike. It should be a list in alphabetic order. By this you can work off your tensions and provide your view to everyone in the outside world.
Only you have access to this site and you can always tell your point of view without being disturbed.
This would solve so many problems.
And if you feel you want to share your view or feel the urge to start a discussion, you simply write a one liner in the posts linking to your site.
As you are a good programmer you could even provide a nice Glyn moderated forum at your site.

150 days, 1 hours, 1 minutes ago

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@Retrobug: So Sirad goes out of his way to insult Sudakan by accusing him of being hysterical... and you think accusing me of having 'tensions to work off' is the appropriate course of action? You should try to learn from others mistakes rather than make them for yourself.

150 days, 1 hours, 0 minutes ago

retrobug

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Glyn, thanks for the reminder.
You are a troll and i nearly fell into your trap.

150 days, 0 hours, 46 minutes ago

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@Retrobug: So Sirad is allowed to be a dick to Sudakan, but I'm not allowed to hold a mirror up to his behaviour?

You realize you just tried to do to me what I was doing to Sirad?

The question I have, is why are you ok with Sirad doing it?

150 days, 0 hours, 20 minutes ago

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"Sudakan: THis is more than affinity,, this is ABUSE!"

@Sudakan: So I've been taking a closer look for myself last little bit.

So Evanghelion and Avalon78 were teammates two years ago; http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/194678

I'd imagine a nefarious actor would avoid such a public display if they wanted to keep their familiarity secret.
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Then... sorry to beat a dead horse, they are all Italians... and I've seen Sectors that recruit Italians and Spanish and years later, they have high Player Affinity.

I've even seen that occur accidentally just because when one game ends, the join another and you often get a couple of the same people again.

Nationality and language have a lot of value when it comes to Diplomacy. Even this thread has German Ridiw leaping in to defend Sirads Rule 1 violation.

Older example, few years ago; Whisperer growing tired of hurling homophobic insults at me decided to start insulting Canadians en masse, and voila... a fellow Canadian called him out for it and he stopped.

So when a person chooses to show their nationality in their profile, and another player has the same nationality and the rest of the players don't... I err on the side of caution and assume an alliance between them is possible.
_

Unlike Whisperer, I'm not going to proclaim if this was abuse or not... but it is an extremely weak case for a Rule 2 violation from what I see... but unlike some people, I never assume my conclusion is divinity.

150 days, 0 hours, 16 minutes ago

retrobug

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Glyn, ok, for one time and as you seem to be really interested, i decide to take your question serious.
The initiator of this thread is complaining in multiple letters, written in upper case (shouting) and losing his focus.
Many players have told him, that from their persepctive he is getting himself into an outrage that is not directly justified especially concerning that what he is compolaining about is not against the site rules.
Sirad (but also others) told him to calm down and in my opinion it was mentioned in a friendly way. Especially Sirad later on took his time to write down his own experiences maybe because he felt this might help Sudukan.

While you just started teasing Sirad and of course the usual replies to whisperer. So you did not add anything positive to this whole thread, you were just trying to pour oil into the fire. You are not helping in a constructive way.

There is a high chance that you will most probably now again cite someone or something, refer to anything specific but i will not answer anymore here about this as i don't want to be part of continuing this whole thread. i just wanted to give you a honest feedback because i decided i want to take you serious and accepted that you "deserve" an honest answer to a honest question.

149 days, 23 hours, 57 minutes ago

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@Sudakan

"that is normal four you? fine .. I will not discuss that"

Let me explain my perspective in a bit more detail.

The issue you are describing is a bunch of players playing often in same games with each other, sometimes as enemies, sometimes as friends. Some connections (like Evanghelion/Pinpinuzzi) seem to be of the "always ally" type. This, for the record, in my opinion counts as pre-made alliance and as such bad style which should be discouraged. However the history of pre-made alliances is as long as the site itself, and the community has always been complaining about it, often self-policing the issue by doing player research at the start of the game. Highlighting these alliances at game start is a brutal diplomatic and can be of immense own benefit while also making the game very hard for the pre-made alliance.

So while there certainly is an issue here, in my view we already have tools to address it. Talking about cheating, abuse and requesting Tim Continuum in a public thread is completely over the top.

149 days, 23 hours, 26 minutes ago

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@Retrobug: Are you telling me this is your first rodeo with Sudakan? This is normal... like Ghostrider saying "Roll Tide!".

Last thing Sudakan said before Sirad's comment was "Lets keep brainstorming!!!"... optimism and encouragement does not scream "not-calm".

Also pro tip... do no tell people that are not calm... to calm down... that isn't kosher in any culture to my knowledge.

There is NOTHING stopping me from saying whatever I want to you... I'm not Premium, have no on going games and am allowing my Achievement Points to atrophy away. I could be like Whisperer and use an alternate account to agree with my own posts and attack others... but I don't. I could call you names... but I don't.

Just fighting fire with fire. Don't strike a match and I won't napalm you.

I even trained my cat the same way.

If you have a problem with me, you have a problem with ugliness being reflected back onto the ugly.

149 days, 21 hours, 56 minutes ago

sirad

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

Lets have a look at one of the Typical Planets-NU Feed Historys:

[i am trying to write this as objective as possible]
[this mask can be stomped upon many Feeds]

- Someone starts a Thread
- much People posting and some more or less harsh or polite input is applied. Emotions may cook somewhat high.
- most replies are more or less useful.
- Problems are getting discussed, beaten, mangled and defined.
[...sigh...but then...]
- Glyn discovers the Feed
- Glyn randomly accuses someone being an alternate account.
- Glyn then posts something, that with good will could be taken 'on Topic'.
- Glyn then works down his actual 'Most Hated People List'
- Glyn puts somewhere his usual line about Whisperers homophobic comments.
- Glyn puts somewhere his usual line about Whisperers Alternate accounts.
- Glyn writes the last comment, wether it makes sense or not.
- Glyn is always right.

Another Thread derailed.

This is how it runs. This is how it will run here forever. Wether you react on it or not is not important. This here is Glyn's world and we all have to obey.

What a pity, another good feed just raped into *One Persons* Mudslinging Contest.

This feed could have been a good example of a discussion that hits us in our deepest Heart, because it is about one Problem that is more ore less, nearly unsolvable without enforcing really hard restrictions to the Playerbase. What a pity. What way we should go ? Freedom of Play or restrictions ? We will never found out because it all wents down the same throat.

149 days, 21 hours, 50 minutes ago

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People again and again,,,I do not use capital to scream
it is for highlight
My take home message from the thread that I have initiated is

You can be like Rob73 and play all your games with a friend- there is not problem with that. YOU CAN HAVE EVEN YOUR SOLO WIN TO GET YOUR PASS TO ADMIRA by playing with your friends and have them letting him go..that is not a big deal neither...

I was really buying this part of the game and I was under the believing that this was a nice addition to planet to get more fun in a competitive way. I was exited to get my rank going up. Now I realize that is just a joke

thank you guys for teaching me the lesson, seriously

149 days, 21 hours, 36 minutes ago

sirad

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@Sudakan:

'I was exited to get my rank going up. Now I realize that is just a joke'

Hmm it is not a Joke, if you say the actual ranking system can be misused, you are right. There is plenty space to manipulate your way up to high level. This is something that comes with 'Player freedom' wherever there is Freedom you always have Players that dont use this freedom in bad intentions. (like some players use this feed here for their bad intentions)

Dont Hesitate. As i can see you are VA for the Robots, thats not easy to achieve. If you are interested in Games with NO sockpuppets around you can create here your personal setups. At least we are here for a good fight aint ? If you live in Argentina then you are Part of a Culture where reputation is everything, i know HOW HARD it is to see that reputation could be cheated here if someone is willing to set up sockpuppets or a bunch of buddys.

You look straightforward and not wheasly i would like to have a good fight against you in a Game of course...

149 days, 21 hours, 2 minutes ago

jovian goose

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I have been following this conversation with some interest but have not so far commented.

I have noticed that the idea that members of an alliance should be able to operate each others fleets. This is absolute madness and manna from heaven for players who have more than one account with the intention of cheating. With that one tool they cold form an alliance between their two accounts and never fear consequences from it.

I have also noticed an absolute tirade of abuse at a certain number of named players based purely on circumstantial evidence and supposition. I may or may not have the same opinion as given in these outpourings of venom. BUT I keep my thoughts to myself until I have proof. A belief is just that, a belief and not a fact until solid evidence is provided to either prove or disprove that. Any other way is the road to anarchy.

In the original days of VGA Planets the Tim Continuum was used to detect dual accounts and meddling with other areas, however it was far from fool proof. I will give an example from the BBS that I ran. There was another BBS run by two brothers who did not live together but played in the same game. One day their ships were scattered by the TC. Their explanation was that they had visited each other over the week end and had used the same computer to do their turns on. They did not request a re run of the turn. As host I had to decide whether this explanation was true. I had no evidence to the contrary so the explanation had to be accepted. The protocol of innocent until proved guilty prevailed.

The TC also acted if third party clients were used and many rows, such as the one here ensued. The site rule became that if the TC hit you you were in breach of the rules and turns ran on regardless. I make this point because the TC monitored what was acceptable and acted unilaterally without personal prejudice or bias. It did not give an opinion or a belief, it acted on a preset formula built into the game and that constituted the rules.

The Admins here have provided an excellent war gaming site based on VGA Planets and do a unique job in providing us with an arena to fight our battles in. They have set rules and by playing here we accept those rules Where EVIDENCE of a breach occurs, no doubt they act accordingly. Compare this to the original sites hosting the game and thank God that progress has seen this site take the game to another level.

Lets get on with enjoying the in game battles and stop this slagging off of other players If you suspect what you believe to be an unfair advantage then use your prowess as a player to counter it in game as ultimately that is what achieves success. Enjoy the game as that is the sole purpose of play. If you are not enjoying it then why on earth are you playing?

149 days, 19 hours, 10 minutes ago

dennis42

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@JOVIAN GOOSE

While i like your post i do not completly agree.
I dont want to play in games with pre alliances.
If i would have to counter it ingame i would have to be a far better player than the ingame alliance or find allies. Finding allies for this purpose changes the game to something like a team game. If i want to play a team game i will join one...

However, i dont see a way how admins could change it without spending a lot of time.
Even then it would never work nearly 100% and may also restrict the game too much. And i prefer that they work on the game itself. So IMHO disallowing pre alliances by a rule is no good solution.

But we have a great community here. Also there are a lot of players acting as a mentor. Maybe there are also some experienced players who would offer to host standard games: Same config as generated games, with passwords, fair play like no pre alliance...
They could check players before.

@SUDAKAN

Whoever is wrong or right here, you are here for having fun playing planets.
Of course you have spend a lot of time for the current game, but you cannot change what happend anymore. Just go on playing and maybe host a game yourself? This way you can check players before and include some fair play rules.

149 days, 16 hours, 23 minutes ago

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dont kill the dog trying to get rid of the fleas, lol

149 days, 16 hours, 18 minutes ago

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@Sirad,

If you, or any other player, believe that a poster is being abusive, please feel free to inform the Admins. If they see enough complaints from enough people, or if they see complaints from Emperors, they WILL do something, and the feed will be quiet once again ... for a while.

@Glyn,

>> It takes a provable violation of the rules, specifically Rule-2. There has been no such violation here.
> How can you possibly know if there was no Rule 2 violation?

I don't, and I didn't write that I did. I wrote that there's no "provable" violation. This is the difference between "Not Guilty" (the meaning of what I wrote) and "Innocent" (what you appear to have understood me to mean).

It should be noted that, while I sympathize with Sudakan's plight, I strongly disagree with his suggestion that the Tim Continuum be used to solve this problem.

149 days, 15 hours, 45 minutes ago

sirad

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@Whisperer:

'If they see enough complaints from enough people, or if they see complaints from Emperors...'

Thanks for the advice, but Achieving Emperor is something thats not worth the hassle just for filing a complaint and getting heard... I rather do it the easy way, avoid being drawn into the mudpit. That works quite fine.

149 days, 9 hours, 33 minutes ago

xi scorpii

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This is an interesting thread and I've been considering it a fair amount.

First I'd like to say that because we all love this game, we're set apart. We share something uncommon. We're like a band of brothers.

I tried to talk a friend into playing at one point, and had discussed how successfully a game was going, and he summed up his response in one word, "Boring." I felt like he was missing out on something extraordinary, but then perhaps the game just isn't for everyone.

I think we should recognize the bond we have together and appreciate it more. And give each other some slack, even if we've had a bad day or something and cross the line a bit.

For example I'm glad that @Sudakan brought the topic up again. It's been discussed before, but a complete solution is still lacking. I like that he wanted to brainstorm it some more.

I also appreciate that @Rob73 and @Pinpinuzzi weighed in and gave their side of the matter. I don't know that it's possible to gauge it fully without hearing both sides. Personally I don't think that the four players mentioned are trying to cheat, but that they really enjoy playing together, whether it's as allies or enemies. And as mentioned many of their games were team games or were Italian-focused games.

I'm glad that the Italians have such a strong and tight-knit community of players. I think it's good for the game, and is probably likely to bring in more players from there.

Pretty much everyone agrees that one player having multiple accounts in one game is cheating. And of course it's against the site rules. But I don't know that every player fully realizes how much pre-game alliances are frowned upon by other players.

In the 90s with VGA Planets, pre-game alliances were expected. You knew that a couple of brothers, or some best friends, were always going to work together. Or that a father and son were always going to be rivals and recruit sides accordingly. So now with players from all over the world involved, that inside knowledge is lacking.

I think that good solutions have been offered here. One that would do a great deal is for there to be a system-generated message at the start of every non-team game that shows the affinity of all players that have joined, including those accounts that exhibit suspicious behavior like joining and dropping that might be scouting for info for another account.

That would allow for other players to adapt and negotiate accordingly from the very beginning. It would likely discourage multi-account cheating, or even pre-game alliances, if like @Rudel mentioned, they lost the benefit of their secret arrangement and they got crushed each time by others working together to oppose them.

In a way it models warfare in the real world more closely. Countries have treaties and relationships with each other that are common knowledge. If one country is attacked the others are likely going to be on their side, either as full allies or in some supportive role.

So getting a good system-generated message, with all the pertinent info about players with high affinities, would take a problem and turn it into an enhanced version of the game. And those who felt that it was misrepresenting them would be free to use diplomacy in-game to explain and try to counter it. Or simply not join games with their buddies where it might be an issue.

And then for those who still don't like the idea of facing pre-game alliances or outright cheating, then only join hosted games, which is already available due to guys like @Dines, @Talespin, and others.

I believe the combination of the two solutions is a very good approach, and is doable without requiring constant and special intervention by Admin.

149 days, 2 hours, 1 minutes ago

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@Sirad: Not random at all. I don't like Rule 2 violators posting, specifically negative comments as has occurred here.

Due to the fact he has many accounts of which he posts from, it looks like I'm accusing someone different, but it is just one very persistent cheater that I've been dealing with for years.

This is the guy that stalked me into my first Sector in ages and accused me of violating Rule 3.

149 days, 1 hours, 41 minutes ago

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"Whisperer: I wrote that there's no "provable" violation."

@Whisperer: And?

I wrote; "Glyn: How can you possibly know if there was no Rule 2 violation? If no one can prove two accounts belong to one person, how do you magically accomplish the inverse?"

If it helps you understand... I will repeat it again with "provable" added in.

How can you possibly know if there was no provable Rule 2 violation? If no one can prove two accounts belong to one person, how do you magically accomplish the inverse?"
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"Whisperer: they WILL do something"

So when did you decide to go from insulting the Admins as the "manglement" to giving overly optimistic predictions?

"Whisperer: There are a LOT of items along those lines that the manglement "needs" to do. Joshua has been VERY resistant to creating any new policy, just as he's very resistant to volunteer forum moderators and volunteer game monitors. While I could hypothesize as to the reasons, I won't; the only ones I can think of are too negative" ; http://planets.nu/discussion/ciocco-has-been-caught-cheating-in-epsilon-sector-he-will-1

Again... how do you know they will or will not do something? You keep making these absolute claims and act like we should trust you. You literally used an alternate account to agree with your own post and attack me to strengthen your Whisperer account claims. You are not someone the community can trust, you aren't even capable of admitting when wrong so once again your character taints your claims.

What happens when nothing happens? They will get upset. Bravo, you just sabotaged the community by setting people up to be disappointed.

149 days, 1 hours, 28 minutes ago

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@Ghostrider: Good point.
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I've been waiting for someone to violate the Lone Wolf format rules just to see what people think. Hope that day doesn't actually come though.

149 days, 0 hours, 31 minutes ago

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http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/276825/events

@Glyn this look familiar to you?

As Xi Scorpii put very well we need a player affinity system to be installed by Admin.

On the first host of every game the system sends around a player affinity report on any player who starts the game and also any that joined then left who may have joined to scout out a slot.

And when a player drops and a player replaces and possibly drops then at the next host another player affinity report is sent out. Possibly including the ones that did not stay previously.

So at the start of the game you see player affinity with those who stayed with ones that looked then dropped.

And if someone dropped then was scouted by a player with a high affinity to another account you have more information on the game.

This gives everyone the same information.

With that information surprises are less so these underhand tactics may be reduced as the tactics will work less and in some cases act as a disadvantage.

And the game goes back to more like we had in the 90's with knowledge that some players favour others etc and all have a level playing field.

148 days, 23 hours, 46 minutes ago

jovian goose

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@Sudakan

I said
"I have also noticed an absolute tirade of abuse at a certain number of named players based purely on circumstantial evidence and supposition."

You said
"Abuse? I kept my message clear all the time."

Did you say the following and would you not feel abused if it was aimed at you?

"R, P and E were playing together in other games.
Probably P is a kind of retarded that can only play if E is present,,,"

148 days, 15 hours, 46 minutes ago

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@JovianGoose

YEs, my bad, I said that before,,,I had already apologize for using the word "retarded". Ok?

Still I believe that this do not represent a "tirade of abuse" as you mentioned in your post

Still I got already tired of this. A lot of you guys made a great job defending this people. Great!, I got my lesson. You have my silence in this site for the rest of my short life in this site
in the middle time enjoy your honorable friends:

@EVANGHELION (E)
@PINPINUZZI (P)
@AVALON78 (A)
@ROB73

I am sure they will continues working together to give you guys a lot of fun. After all it is clear that they were doing just right and did not deserved being exposed for that.
Sincerely
SDK

148 days, 14 hours, 31 minutes ago

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@Sudakan:
Just because you *believe* something, it does not make it fact. For example, in this sector

http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/262597

I *believed* by turn 15 you and Alembicer were either the same person or had something worked out since the beginning of the game.

After the game I reviewed the turns and realized that you guys just came to an understanding, and are, in fact, two different individuals.

I accepted that and moved on.

Here too, you are being proved wrong in your assumption of the players you listed. Do not pull a martyr complex.

Your statement:

"You have my silence in this site for the rest of my short life in this site in the middle time enjoy your honorable friends"

--is not making you any allies in this. You are overreacting. Your sarcasm only makes you look like a sore loser. What profound respect I had for you when you played the Lizards against me has all but evaporated.

We should all be on the lookout for cheaters, of course, but when proven wrong, don't take it out on the community that showed you the truth. Accept it with good grace and move on.

Do not abhor truth. Embrace and learn from it. Above all, adapt. You will be a better (and a more well-respected) person from it.

148 days, 14 hours, 24 minutes ago

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and everyone just leave it here and reflect for a moment...

148 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes ago

xi scorpii

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@Sudakan:

I think it's good that you brought the situation to everyone's attention. And you definitely shouldn't be silent. It's an important matter.

@Glyn and others have brought up a lot of games where there was suspicious behavior. I've looked at some of those completed games in detail, and I would agree that it was fairly certain that there was multi-account cheating going on, or at least something very similar. And others that were very clear that pre-game alliances were in effect.

The challenge in an individual game, especially before the game is over and can be viewed by outsiders, is that it's very hard to know whether what's going on is outright cheating or whether it's something much less.

The idea of someone being innocent until proven guilty is vital. A good reputation can be hard to regain once it's lost, even if the accusations were shown later to be false. And in these situations the proof can be very hard to come by, if not impossible, even for Admin who have more info than the rest of us.

Besides just sticking to hosted games only, wouldn't the idea of system generated messages that revealed player affinities address the problem you're having whether it's friends who like to play together or one person with multiple accounts?

If three or four players with high affinities to each other all joined the same game, wouldn't everyone else in the game be instantly suspicious of them and probably form an alliance to oppose them right from the start?

148 days, 13 hours, 56 minutes ago

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"3/5/2019 10:18:51 PM Turn 1 igintaras has resigned from The Fascist Empire.
3/5/2019 10:16:38 PM Turn 1 igintaras has joined the game in slot 8 as The Fascist Empire.
3/5/2019 10:09:51 PM Turn 1 raiker has resigned from The Empire of the Birds.
3/5/2019 10:06:25 PM Turn 1 raiker has joined the game in slot 5 as The Empire of the Birds.
3/5/2019 10:05:05 PM Turn 1 glist has resigned from The Empire of the Birds.
3/5/2019 10:02:19 PM Turn 1 glist has joined the game in slot 3 as The Empire of the Birds.
3/5/2019 10:01:31 PM Turn 1 crab has resigned from The Empire of the Birds.
3/5/2019 9:52:57 PM Turn 1 crab has joined the game in slot 9 as The Empire of the Birds.
3/5/2019 12:21:42 PM Turn 1 chrismad1 has resigned from The Robotic Imperium.
3/5/2019 12:17:44 PM Turn 1 chrismad1 has joined the game in slot 10 as The Robotic Imperium."

@Martinr: I was already wondering if Chrismad1 and the Igintaras were also puppet accounts... starting to look like that.
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For those out of the loop... Glist, Crab and Raiker accounts would fill HYPjumpers with MCs on Turn 2 and head straight for Aistis Homeworld.

Aistis got away with this for years before someone else drew attention to it and I begrudgingly looked into it. I foolishly became optimistic Admins would ban the accounts when I saw how obvious the cheating was... but apparently I should have stuck with pessimism.

Upon that information becoming public, he resigned from all games. But then started joining new Sectors forcing them to start running and then dropped once the game started resulting in at least a half dozen Sectors now with as little as 2/3 of the slots filled.

Basically sabotaging the site because I exposed him... no wonder I can't play games without cheaters stalking me into them... I'm dealing with assholes that are proud to be assholes.

Fortunately they didn't ruin the Sector that this Event log is from... this join and instant resign doesn't force the game to start, so I imagine he is scouting for good start locations and then filling the goods ones with new puppet accounts? I investigated one such Sector a month or so back and while I found nearly everyone in the Sector had Player Affinity worth noting... found nothing anywhere near a Rule 2 violation.

It cost me a few hours to thoroughly vet 11 accounts, and when you turn up nothing it really discourages trying again.

Anyhow my traditional strong confidence in the Admins has pretty much been irrevocably destroyed because this is the 2nd most obvious multiple account cheater we have ever seen. Months later, still not banned.

Getting real close to saying something mean about the Admins like Whisperer does... maybe he was just further along the curve than me.

148 days, 13 hours, 49 minutes ago

retrobug

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@Sudakan:

Just because you keep this discussion on top of the public thread now for over a week and continue to state all the time how unfair it is to join as a pre arranged alliance.

I invested 10 minutes to check on your games and saw that you have done exactly the same (which i do not condem by the way as it is not against the rules).

you have joined as a pre game alliance with at least Intrusoanal, setting share intel at T2 to him w/o any communication.

http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/100364

In this sector there is also Torbrom who took over the Lizard position in T52 just one turn after the original Liz dropped out.
And this is the same Torbrom who you allied and won the sector, the same that you are now playing together in a teamgame, he's also from Argentina.

And noone is blaming you for preferring to play and ally with your friends from Argentina right?

I just want to say that there will be always people who like to play with their friends together and you can't avoid that. But you shouldn't accuse someone of cheating when you have no prove.

148 days, 13 hours, 48 minutes ago

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Glyn, that was awfully close to a back handed compliment of Whisperer...you must be getting soft. :-)

148 days, 13 hours, 41 minutes ago

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I have played many a online game, there has always been cheats, cheat programs or cheat with multiple accounts, 2 boxing or friends, this will never change as I see it,. But it does turn away new people and the ones who do play . Then people who religiously play , most addons and cheat codes are available to anyone who really wants them. I prefer the Virgin games no such BS, but thats me.

148 days, 9 hours, 0 minutes ago

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@Retrobug: Sudakan seems mostly upset about the frequency mainly though, which is why I provided the even better example of Ridgerunner/Skyliner/Capt Chaos. So not as hypocritical as you might think.

"Retrobug: But you shouldn't accuse someone of cheating when you have no prove."

The problem is then cheaters are never exposed... Commander Koski had to state his suspicions publicly in order for me to know to look into Aistis History.
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The first disagreement I had on this site was with Lord Pollax who opposed public discussion of cheating. Then years later he exposed a cheater and I was the 'doubting Thomas'. But then way later more evidence came to light and I realized he was right to begin with... although I never said he was wrong, just didn't see anything that lead me to conclude Rule 2 was violated.

Ditto for here... I don't see significant evidence of Rule 2 violation. But I can't just tell Sudakan he is wrong, I cannot possibly know that to be true.
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Never seen censorship produce anything of value... if anything it seems to cause nothing but mass suffering. The Muslim gangs of UK having child sex slaves being ignored for a decade should be proof of that. UK police would rather 11 year olds continue to be gang raped every night than risk the public accusing them of being racist.... that is what censorship gets you. I don't even like that the Allies kept the Holocaust secret for two years either... censorship is just a bad idea as a policy.

Free flow of information... no restrictions. The #MeToo movement and the endless stream of hate crime hoaxes coming out proves that we simply have to be skeptical at all times... it was nice to think everyone police charge is guilty, but not so nice to have to pay incarcerated millions when it turns out they didn't do the crime.
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I bet if the Italians announced they have played together before at the start of the game... Sudakan would have no objections, people don't like surprises. Possibly he could have even left the game before it started if they did it before Host ran the first time.

If you 'put yourself in other peoples shoes' for a moment you'd realize that it is even in your own best interest to do so. Winning fairly is more rewarding, cheating is only rewarding if you would have lost otherwise... if you cheat and still lose then you feel really crappy (I see this often, makes me smile). I feel strongly it is our genetics that have programmed us to prefer winning fairly, our brains are goal oriented so this can go unrealized... not everyone thinks about how their own choices affect how they feel, let alone the actual end results.

For example Western nations donating clothes and food to African nations actually hurts them in the long run because it destroys their textile and farming industries creating endless poverty because anyone that has researched history knows early economies rely on supplying food, clothing and shelter... and here Western nations are wiping out 2/3 of their economy and moronically patting themselves on the back.

Research into universal basic income indicates when EVERYONE gets free money it doesn't affect their self-worth or ambition negatively... tell them because they are a woman/black/disabled/etc they get this free money... boom, you straight up sabotage their life... oh they take the money, but just like cheaters, they don't know the self harm it inflicts.
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Others should not have to tell people that Ridgerunner/Skyliner/Capt Chaos have high Player Affinity... they should want a fair game and be informing everyone themselves. The fact they don't, makes me suspicious... although I have seen cheaters state they know an account in RL as a pre-emptive strike against Rule 2 violation accusations, but at least the advantage

So yeah, Italians did nothing against the Rules is my assessment as well based on the information I have... but they don't get to complain about being accused of violating Rule 2 because it was within their power to prevent this.

But I bet even Sudakan didn't declare his Player Affinity either, seems people have to learn the hard way before they do. Even I didn't immediately convey that one of my friends was playing in a game with me publicly, I did it one-on-one with players instead long after Turn 1.

And a player took a replacement position on of my Sectors when I was already allied with him in another game, didn't ask him too, but I still should have announced I knew him (actually I might have, can't recall exactly).

But I don't expect people to know this or do this... but if you are accused you can't complain because you could have prevented it.

It takes threads like this for the idea to spread.

Honestly, just talk to Ace Rimmer about this... the community lost their mind over him playing with his brother in games, so much that he abandoned his original account to appease them. I had the same position then, just notify everyone before the game starts or when the person joins.
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@Tom+Graves: Oh I was insulting myself, not proud about how I feel towards the Admins.

148 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes ago

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@Ninjabunny: Very true. A friend of mine that plays Planetside 2 started cheating because of all the other cheaters. In his defense, what he does is not-cheat until he encounters a cheater, and then he turns the hacks on and stalks them till they leave the area.

I joked that someone might be using hacks to kill him because they saw him killing someone with hacks using hacks... maybe one guy cheated to kill everyone years ago and ever since then it is just people cheating to punish cheaters creating a never ending cycle just video game justice warriors victimizing each other!

148 days, 8 hours, 50 minutes ago

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@Glyn Who are you and what have you done to Glyn??!

148 days, 6 hours, 45 minutes ago

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@Sudakan,

I get your frustration. I felt the same thing when you, Intrusoanal and Tobrom beat me at Ohular Sector. If I had known I was joining a sector where two players were ‘teamed’ from turn 2 with no in game communication I’d have started a different, more fair game. Then, when the Lizard player, who I had a treaty with, dropped, a third Argentinian player Tobrom replaced him the following turn. Within a few turns Tobrom sets safe passage with Intrusoanal with no communication.

End result you win with Tobrom. Congrats. I saw your history of games played with your fellow countrymen. I recall messaging you about it, but never took it to the public forums. In fact, if I remember correctly, the only public complaint was from you because I ended up with a first place finish even though my team lost.

If anything I see your frustration as a case of Planets Karma.

Regards, Tom N

148 days, 6 hours, 28 minutes ago

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@TOM N well played sir. Well played indeed!!!

148 days, 5 hours, 45 minutes ago

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Ah, how Cinderella's shoe feels on the other foot...

148 days, 1 hours, 1 minutes ago

redeye241

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The easiest way to have people ignore your complains is to have the exact same claims levelled against yourself, as it destroys your credibility.

148 days, 0 hours, 4 minutes ago

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@Redeye241: Are you defending Ridgerunner/Skyliner/Capt Chaos?

147 days, 23 hours, 29 minutes ago

redeye241

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@Glyn no I'm talking in relation to Tom N's post, I don't have enough knowledge of that to comment on it.

147 days, 17 hours, 23 minutes ago

rob73

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@Sudakan
I'm pretty tired.
You keep on saying only a part of the facts, the one that is of advantage to you.
You keep on mentioning 4 names of players, always, because your real purpose is to discredit them. You don't care about fair playing.
You accuse 4 players who have different 4 stories but you don't care.
You don't care to understand, but only to accuse.
You have starting by accusing double accounts and then accusing pre-match agreements. (I don't make pre-game agreements even when I'm playing with friends ... you can easily verify but you are too focalized in accusing)
You started blaming me just because I didn't want to help you and so you're now defeated in the current sector.
I gave you answers regarding me ... and you didn't even consider them.
Not to mention the fact that in this thread other players have shown that you have made pre-game agreements and now you accuse others.

You don't look like a fair player.

147 days, 15 hours, 34 minutes ago

redeye241

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Just to add onto Rob's point you also have made a pre-game alliance before hand and it is difficult to still complain about others something you have done yourself especially if you want some action on it. A pre-game alliance is a pre-game alliance no matter the reason. Having an issue with pre-game alliances is fine but saying another person with a pregame alliance is not, when you've had one, makes you seem like a unfair player. I acknowledge it was for a good cause but how much do we know about these 4 players they could be doing a similar thing for you just for a longer time with a younger player? They may always play together this ain't bad unless you can prove that every single time they fought together, if you can't then friends playing together ain't relevant as it's probably very common for friends to play together a lot.
P.S. I hope this comes across reasonable and in a decent tone of voice it is not to get anyone merely to point things out.

147 days, 15 hours, 13 minutes ago

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@Sudakan

hy·poc·ri·sy noun: hypocrisy; plural noun: hypocrisies

The practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense.

147 days, 15 hours, 10 minutes ago

sirad

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Someone here said already: If mans Players want to Play as 'Team', why not Joining Teamgames ?

Maybe there should be more teamgames available ?

Games with Teams of 2 up to Teams of 10.

147 days, 14 hours, 53 minutes ago

redeye241

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That's a good idea but if I was playing with my friends they'd be some I actively attacked them, some I allied and others I ignore them till as late as possible. This would keep the games with my friends interesting while still being fair to other players. (note when I would fight with them I'd follow normal diplomacy I'd just look to ally with them primarily). I would also judge all of this off the race they play and the race I'm playing. (I use a couple). So maybe just not having massive tirades about players playing with friends would also help, because if everyone believes if you join a game with a friend your gonna make a pre-game alliance many people won't see the point in not making one.

147 days, 12 hours, 41 minutes ago

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@Redeye241

you said

" A pre-game alliance is a pre-game alliance no matter the reason."

you know what, only special people set up thresholds in white and black colors, those peoples are getting famous these days.

Just for fun some messages with @Rob73 and @Evanghelium in my last game with them

very early in the game
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Turn 33
Sent to: The Cyborg (rob73)
Hi Rob thanks for the NAP.
FYI
pimpinuci and evangelium always work together.

Turn 33
From: The Cyborg (rob73)
It's so.
I'm trading ships with Evanghelion but I don't know his plans with Pinpinuzzi.
Anyway thanks.
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After reaching a border with Evanghelion later in the game I got an offer from him, here is my answer
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Turn 56
Sent to: The Fascist Empire (evanghelion)
well
the problem is that you are a cloaker
you can infiltrate all my positions
and later tell me that you broke arragment
and that is life
I have already been born by that situation
my policy with cloakers when I use a race that do not cloak is to change intel or safe pasa x intel

Turn 57
From: The Fascist Empire (evanghelion)
I agree with your considerations ... and i am ok to set a share intl , but for both of us ...

Let me know

Turn 58
Sent to: The Fascist Empire (evanghelion)
But to share intel only make sense if we are thinking in something bigger
what do you have in mind?

Turn 59
From: The Fascist Empire (evanghelion)
I have in mind a simple thing... me , you and Borg could quit this game in the 3 top positions ... we must only eliminate the others without attacking each other...

And to do this we must have a share intl. ... i have already with Borg .. let me know if you are interested ...

Turn 59
Sent to: The Fascist Empire (evanghelion)
Hey Eva, good to know! I am not interested in 3rd position
Lets just have peacefull borders as decided ok
let me know if this is still an option to you
please do not be tracheorious
SDK

Turn 59
From: The Fascist Empire (evanghelion)
Mhh my intention is to be in third position... and leave the first and second to you and Borg...

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he is a good samaritan

SDK

147 days, 12 hours, 23 minutes ago

rob73

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@Sudakan
Ahahahahah
I knew nothing about it.
Now I guess it's against the rules that E has teased you diplomatically.

Ahahahah

Really... Now you are out of topic.

5 turns then everyone will see the sector to know the truth. Me too.

147 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes ago

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Sudakan-Torbrom scores 7 Player Affinity, Sudakan-Intrusoanal 4.
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Sudakan-Evanghelion is 7, Sudakan-Rob73 is 2, Sudakan-Aavalon78 is 1, Sudakan-Pinpinuzzi is 3.
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Rob73-Avalon78 is 11, Rob73-Evanghelion is 8, Rob73-Pinpinuzzi is 2.

Avalon78-Evanghelion is 6, Avalon78-Pinpinuzzi is 1.
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Sudakan has played in 57 games.

Torbrom in 11.

Intrusoanal in 14.

Rob73 in 14.

Avalon78 in 12.

Evanghelion in 91.

Pinpinuzzi in 26.
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Ridgerunner-Skyliner 9 Player Affinity, Ridgerunner-Capt Chaos 24, Skyliner-Capt Chaos 8.

Ridgerunner 49 games, Skyliner 15 and Capt Chaos 58;
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I'd prefer to go by # Turns in the same games but it takes a lot of time to do all the math.

147 days, 7 hours, 8 minutes ago

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@Sudakan: If you can't objectively see what others have already stated, then there is no point reiterating what they have said. At this point it's beating the proverbial dead horse with a stick.

147 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes ago

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@Glyn,

> I'd prefer to go by # Turns in the same games but it takes a lot of time to do all the math.

I'll consider this addition when I make the next update to the tool.

147 days, 4 hours, 38 minutes ago

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@Whisperer: I'd check if CrystalCT picked a license that allows you to do that first, whoever you pay to write the code probably won't appreciate a lawsuit.

147 days, 3 hours, 43 minutes ago

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@Glyn,

> I'd check if CrystalCT picked a license that allows you to do that first, whoever you pay to write the code probably won't appreciate a lawsuit.

1. Unlike you, I don't pay others to write code. I have the skill and experience to write my own code.

2. The code I wrote (specifically my Research Assistant - http://planets.nu/_library/whisperer-scripts/researchgame.html) is not based on the code from CrystalCT, therefore there are no Copyright issues. This is similar to the "black box" development methodologies.

Before you make claims about what is and isn't actionable WRT software development, you really should understand the field. FYI, your experience as a tradesman doesn't prepare you for the software industry.

147 days, 1 hours, 46 minutes ago

redeye241

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@sudakan life is often black and white when it comes to morality, murder is murder, the whole system of society works on it being black and white courts don't care why you stole just that you did, all reasons get you are sympathy and it's funny you pick out the statement without the reasons and then proceed to call me special for it (Which I know I am but you don't and therefore like with calling people retards you shouldn't do it). you also have seemed to ignore a suggestion to help reduce this issue and you could have, with the person you were helping, gone into a team game yourself, but as you didn't you can't criticise other people for not doing the same, which is where the statement @jadefire made comes in.

147 days, 0 hours, 52 minutes ago

mursu

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

Because there seems to be some contradictory claims, I took a moment to review Ohular Sector (http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/100364) in which Sudakan and Tom N played in.

It is clear that Sudakan had a pre game alliance with another player (Intrusoanal). It is easy to believe the player in question was at least somewhat new and the pre game alliance wasn't superb efficient, but there was no public announcement that these two would work together. So it was not public knowledge.

The Lizard player (krauthammer) had a strong position in the game, but did drop on turn 51. Both Tom N and Sudakan claim that this player in question was their ally or at least close to be their ally.

Based on my review Lizards had a constant communication with Tom N throughout the game, but they had not agreed to be allies. Actually Lizards suggested to go all in with Tom N a little before they dropped, but Tom N wanted to instead just extend their NAP and come back into talks later. The later never happened as the player dropped. Sudakan had almost zero communication with the Lizards. He proposed once a ship trade, but Lizards never replied.

After the drop the Lizard player was replaced by a friend of Sudakan (torbrom) who eventually went on to win the sector with Sudakan (their communication was likely outside the game so impossible to review). They did not go for Shared intel immediately though, but after some 15 turns. The game went on for almost 100 turns after the drop. There were clearly two sides fighting in the end.

I might be a matter of another discussion in which case it is "right" to bring a friend to replace a dropped player in your own game. I personally think it depends on the diplomatic situation and also, what is the original intention of the replacement himself. The first isn't totally clear in this game and latter is almost impossible to judge later on pretty much always.

146 days, 23 hours, 58 minutes ago

sirad

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

It feels like binge watching here.

That many twists and turnarounds are more than i can take :-)

146 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes ago

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"Whisperer: Unlike you, I don't pay others to write code."

I wish... everytime I start training a guy they realize they hate sitting in front of a computer all day. Mainly I like designing GUIs, and I don't really need to type code to do that nowadays either.

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@Whisperer: Hey you learned to code since the Confederate Flag thread!

Yeah I didn't claim you used CrystalCTs code, I thought you were going to update his code.
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I like that I don't have to be in the game to use it... hopefully it works for all players and Sectors as CrystalCTs script has an issue with some.

Reason I want to know the shared Turns total is cheaters already learned to fluff out their History to make it not look so obvious.
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Since you are apparently taking suggestions;

What they load MDSFs/LDSFs up with, how they colonize, what Notes they make, what they build, arm/equip ships, what ships they make, tax, buildings built, colours used, ship names, how they set waypoints, etc.

Mainly just the first early Turn... people tend to evolve their playstyle also... so I've seen multiple accounts cheaters actually change play style over time but at the same time across all accounts.

Also try to determine if they have ever been Premium by searching for Starbases being upgraded past the non-Premium Tech-limits (on non-HWs of course). I usually consider Premium real people or at least the primary account, at least they are paying.
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Some try very hard to make each account look different... but there is always something unique they do that gives them away;

King Wog/Ac/Xmas eve/Kymm/lostinamerica for example has the obvious 'replacement player addiction'... but not as obvious is he marks dead Races by blocking communication like he has OCD. That of course can be a coincidence so you have to look deeper, which is why there are so many things I look into.

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Tradesman? What kind of tradesman am I? Maybe that word means something different to you than it does to me.

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"Whisperer: Before you make claims about what is and isn't actionable WRT software development"

Wasn't aware people thought there were things you couldn't do... kinda like saying there are only so many kinds of short stories you can write... technically true, since there are only so many words you can put in so many different orders before you get a duplicate novel.

146 days, 0 hours, 34 minutes ago

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@Mursu: Thumbs up for doing that research! It chews through a lot of time, I have to convince myself to do it as of late.

146 days, 0 hours, 30 minutes ago

sirad

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

Well i like the thought of the problem with the multiaccount gettin taken care of it.

I dislike the thought of some here who think they can install themself here to create some kind of inquisition. This should only enter the hands of objective peoples and those who has access to all data.

146 days, 0 hours, 4 minutes ago

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@Sirad: Objective? That would rule out the Admins then... don't think that word means what you think it means.

The only objective person would be someone that isn't invested in the game, doesn't play the game and has nothing to gain or lose from determining who is cheating.
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What the Admins have access to which we do not, isn't that valuable... as simple as going next door and using your neighbour's computer... as complex as using an unknown proxy to give a unique IP address to each account, playing different time of the day etc.

Not saying it wouldn't be useful... they could catch stuff like people using the same password for all their accounts for example.
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Most of us are advocating that people research their games at the beginning so there is no surprises regarding Player Affinity.

My first Sector that I exposed a cheater in, stated he was ashamed of himself, apologized and quit all Sectors with all accounts.

I didn't want him to quit... everyone had allied to fight the cheater and it looked like it was gonna be an epic war... instead we ended up just boringly colonizing planets.

We just wanna have fun... yeah cheaters suck... but being surprised is the main issue... even if cheating was impossible... lots of us still care about Player Affinity.

145 days, 22 hours, 27 minutes ago

sirad

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

'Objective? That would rule out the Admins then...'

Oh i would rule out the admins very late in that row...

145 days, 15 hours, 57 minutes ago

redeye241

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

Sadly the objectivity of people is a problem. We'd need people who don't play and don't interact with the community, otherwise sub conscience bias may start to creep in at which point they loose objectivity. This means the site would likely have to employ people to do that, which would mean either premium goes up or ads are used which may take something away from the game. However I could be missing something.

140 days, 16 hours, 19 minutes ago

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@Glyn,

> I like that I don't have to be in the game to use it..

That's why it was a stand-alone tool from the beginning. I have no intention of converting it to a plugin.

> hopefully it works for all players and Sectors as CrystalCTs script has an issue with some.

TTBOMK, it works with all games. If not, please report it to me.

> everytime I start training a guy they realize they hate sitting in front of a computer all day.

When there are multiple problems, it's usually best to isolate the common elements. Have you considered that the problem might have something to do with the "trainer"?

> Hey you learned to code since the Confederate Flag thread!

I've been getting better at JavaScript over the past few years, but I started learning to code in '72. I've learned >20 languages over the years, including 4 assembly languages (not x86).

> I thought you were going to update his code.

Why would I want to do that when I already have code that works at least as well?

> Since you are apparently taking suggestions;

All of those suggestions require that turn data be analyzed. That's not going to happen; it takes too much time. The only good way to analyze turn data is in advance. That takes time (there's no avoiding that, but it can be moved) and storage space that I'm not going to use to focus on isolating the in-game actions of any single group of players.

> Tradesman? What kind of tradesman am I?

Around here, a "Tradesman" is someone employed in the "trades". This is typically those positions where a person new to the field would be an Apprentice, an experienced person would be a Journeyman and an expert a Master. It includes all the construction jobs (even those without a Union or ranks) and quite a few others.

> Wasn't aware people thought there were things you couldn't do.

You don't remember all the law suits about IP infringement from SCO? Not even the "look & feel" suits from Apple?

140 days, 14 hours, 58 minutes ago

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"Whisperer: I have no intention of converting it to a plugin."

I'll take "Things no one mentioned" for 100, Alex.

"Whisperer: Have you considered that the problem might have something to do with the "trainer"?"
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@Whisperer: Wow, you are actually jealous that people like learning from me... that explains a lot.

Please learn how to read, I said "they realize they hate sitting in front of a computer all day", not that they stop learning how to program... I don't associate with losers like you that give up in the middle of projects.
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"Whisperer: I've been getting better at JavaScript over the past few years"

... they literally teach JavaScript over a weekend here to 13 year olds and small business owners. Looks like they offer such courses in Cali as well; https://nodeschool.io/los-angeles.
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"Whisperer: 've learned >20 languages over the years, including 4 assembly languages (not x86)."

Laughable considering you proved to the entire community in the Confederate Flag thread that you knew nothing about programming. You're a proven liar so it is easy to dismiss your revisionist history.
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"Whisperer: Why would I want to do that when I already have code that works at least as well?"

Why did you assume everyone in this thread was talking about your tool when it is clear no one was? How could I know you meant something that I didn't know existed? That doesn't seem very intelligent of you.

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"Whisperer: All of those suggestions require that turn data be analyzed."

https://me.me/i/ya-think-e21e7df9e3b84d69b5120be8e54ee265
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"Whisperer: You don't remember all the law suits about IP infringement from SCO? Not even the "look & feel" suits from Apple?"

Holy shit you are so stupid... if there is a law suit alleging something occurred that kinda proves you can do it.

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Whisperer just declared things are impossible if there is a law against it... yeah have fun with your gun free zones, I'm sure that'll work.

140 days, 14 hours, 56 minutes ago

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Also I'm still waiting to learn what kind of tradesman I am.

140 days, 14 hours, 49 minutes ago

sirad

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

Time to ignore this feed.

140 days, 14 hours, 43 minutes ago

redeye241

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

indeed it's gone off topic

136 days, 20 hours, 21 minutes ago

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YES! OFF TOPIC

returning to the topic :)

http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/275045

136 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes ago

rob73

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

My dear Sudakan. I missed you.

I speak for myself saying that I personally have nothing to hide. Anyone can verify the sector.

My game is fair and as far as I'm concerned you should apologize for all the times you used my name to discredit me.

I also watched your whole game. I believe you have spent too much time on diplomacy, neglecting many important elements that might have led you to win.

You made mistakes. I understand your frustration at being defeated.
However, this does not give you the right to discredit indiscriminately. It's a childish revenge. It is not ethical for an adult player.

If you want to go ahead with this line, do it with full knowledge of the facts.
You cannot talk in the same way as 4 different players (one was not even present in the sector).

I don't want to evaluate the game of other players, of anyone. I look at how I played, I don't care about others.
But since you offended me I invite you to check how you played ... because I noticed something strange in your game ... long before all your diplomatic conspiracies started (conspiracies are legitimate).

Check your game yourself.

Now stop.

136 days, 7 hours, 53 minutes ago

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@Rob73: Nobody on this site just takes other peoples word for anything, we all look at the evidence... so there is no need to tell Sudakan to stop, nor should you be doing so.

Western civilization demands freedom to accuse... only a totalitarian regime would do otherwise.

Now everyone knows you've been vetted since even I tried to focus the thread on more deserving accounts.

Here is the thing though, we've had many threads over the years and the consensus is always that you should notify everyone of whom you have a 'Real-Life' relationship with, who you've become friends with if you don't want to have to deal with complaints.

Ask Ace Rimmer... he abandoned his original account just to appease everyone else attacking him for playing with his brother in one game. I was the one person defending him for playing with people you know, but even I realized it was better to notify and did so myself. So since 2014 that has been my policy among others.

Even Whisperer started notifying people himself.

Also it isn't like the Admins would ban you even if guilty.

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@All: The Admins should have Player Affinity ranking built-in... but until they do, no one has an excuse for not doing so themself.

It only takes one person per game to use CrystalCTs Intelligence Center script and post the results so none of this drama happens... not counting replacement positions.

133 days, 7 hours, 42 minutes ago

admital tightpants

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

I'm a brand new voice on this thread, read the entire thing before posting.

@Glyn: I agree with you, about a built in Player Affinity Announcement Tool.
Add this to it: the tool automatically re-runs anytime a new player joins.

I respect your vetran status on this board, and also I agree with political stands I read into some of your posts (such as MBI).

However, Glyn, I have to call out a couple of things that you have stated, as blatantly... I shall say... "Incongruous to reality". ;-)

I can't quote on my phone, so I will summarize.

You say Western Civilization demands freedom to accuse, and that only a totalitarian regime would "do otherwise." (Bad grammar, BTW.)

This is not only wrong, but it is wrong in Three Different Ways.
Speaking of a law system that -- up until 2016 -- was the reputable desendant of Athens and Rome, (USA), I can assure you that False Accusation is a Crime, therefore you are not simply free to accuse Anyone of Anything. You mentioned totalitarian regimes, but a world where Anyone can accuse Anyone of Anything would be worse... Anarchy with wandering bands of self-appointed posses of vigilante executioners. A lawless land without government protecting the innocent.
Second, apart from the illegality of making False Accusations, both the court system and separately the law enforcement authorities can also charge you for the wasting of their time and resources.
Thirdly, on the purely civil front, publishing an accusation you know to be false can additionally get you convicted of Libel.

Furthermore, you tried to say something to the effect that telling not calm people to "calm down" was not an acceptable way of speaking to upset people?
It IS completely Acceptable AND Professional.
A parent faced with an upset child will say "calm down," a policeman faced with roudy or angry folk will say "calm down," a psy-tech in a hospital faced with an upset patient will say "calm down," a negotiater on the phone with a barricaded hostage-taker will say "calm down," a flight attendant faced with a agitated flyer will tell him to "calm down," a priest faced with a paritioner who thinks he's been possessed will tell him to "calm down,"... I could go on forever. They are all Acceptable. They are --in fact-- all Purely Professional and reasonable things to say.
(I say this as a professional and certified hospital worker).

Despite my respect for you, I have to point out that you seem to manufacture whatever"reality" you need at the moment to support what you are on about ATM. ... The way I, in fact, did 30+ years ago...when I was a young teen.

I suppose I have " stepped fully into it" now.

Glyn, there have been threads wherein I made a incorrect assertion (usually based on how I remember the game being in the 90s) and you have corrected me. When that happens, I have edited
My post with (stand corrected...and the correct answer) which is an admission that I was wrong... because I have grown up over the past 30 years and more. Now we will see if you have, as well.

I still would like to be in a mentor and midshipmen game with you as the mentor.... because until recently I have been away from the game for decades. And because I respect your experience here.

133 days, 6 hours, 47 minutes ago

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"AT: False Accusation is a Crime"

@Admital+Tightpants: But making an accusation is not a crime itself which is what I addressed... you're off on a tangent. I never said anything about freedom from repercussions either. You've made assumptions that you don't have a good excuse for making.
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"AT: world where Anyone can accuse Anyone of Anything would be worse"

Unless you can't communicate, anyone can accuse anyone of anything... that already is reality. If you need a real world example, #MeToo on Twitter is exactly what you fear, anonymous accusations with no repercussions... but again, I said nothing about no repercussions.

I literally investigate accusers History before the accused's... quite often cheaters are the most vocal about cheaters.
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"AT: a policeman faced with roudy or angry folk will say 'calm down'"

Only if they are poorly trained. You are absolutely 100% wrong on this one, Google it if you doubt me.

Saying 'calm down' is incredibly stupid thing to do, it doesn't work... go ask a clinical psychologist if you need a in depth explanation as to why.
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"AT: which is an admission that I was wrong."

Then you sir are awesome and we will get along fine. I usually say "my bad" when I get something wrong just so I can Google the site and find all the examples.

Even yesterday I got something wrong and did as you do;

"Glyn: and remains the only option here outside of Defense Posts which can be removed via other methods such as Imperial Assault.
[Edit: Wait, NVM there are a lot of options actually... RGA for example]"

Even followed up with; "Glyn: Forgot about RGA which removes buildings also... don't have to remove all Clans if your goal isn't 0 like Martinr mentions, and riots work as Martinr/Jovian Goose mention.

Probably other things too... I have to go stress test some concrete samples so I'll let everyone else fill in all the other options!"
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One of the things I give Whisperer grief for is he will answer a question wrong and then refuse to do a correction or admit it, he'll even edit Documentation with the wrong information just to spite me.

133 days, 6 hours, 8 minutes ago

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"Admital Tightpants: because I respect your experience here."

@Admital Tightpants: Just gonna copy-paste a 3-year old response;

"Glyn: Only ever experimented, every single Sector you can look at and see I did wildly different things each time.... mainly different builds, like all Rubies, all Onyxs, all Opals, all Emeralds, develop new strategies like Web-walls, Lotus-Trap etc"

About half my Sectors are replacement positions, which I don't really do a whole lot other than frustrate players and try to hang on for dear life.

CrystalCT offered me his position in a Championship since it was a bug that caused him to appear above me on the Leaderboard... but I had played with him once and recognized him as a better player and insisted he play instead.

In other words I am not well suited for competitive play... I've probably researched other players more than anyone here though... which is why I'm confident I'm not being pessimistic about my playstyle, or lack thereof... at least in the face of playing against top tier players.

Initially it was just to develop a new better playstyle... I did try a Team game where playing seriously back in 2014... still traumatised from it, our current Emperor Wmerkel and Frostriese gave me a front row seat to just how far I had/have to go; http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/93419
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You are interacting with a Glyn that has been cyber-bullied for years by one jerk who wedged himself into a position of influence;

http://planets.nu/discussion/bug-every-time-i-try-to-enter-the-character

Ah, Glyn from 2015... so innocent and naive.

Sorry, you're stuck with bitter Glyn... and worst of all, paranoid!

Since I exposed my foe as using alternate accounts to start arguments and spams the Admins with complains about me, and he just flat out admitted it and then said it was "ROLEPLAYING" and I was stupid for thinking there was something wrong for using alternate accounts; http://play.planets.nu/#/activity/2983020

133 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

"Admital Tightpants: I still would like to be in a mentor and midshipmen game with you as the mentor."

Crystal can't Mentor anymore... I got in two MvsM as Mentor before they disabled them;
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1st Mentorship: http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/115534 ;

I noticed a player wasn't converting Supplies to MCs... so that tells you how serious I took the task.

This one is where I worked on my 'Web Walls', take a peak! I have dramatically superior method now that I started to write a script for.

Whisperer uses this Sector to accuse me of farming, but what REALLY happened was I was one of the earliest Mentors and the very first to win... purely because of the high drop rate caused by forcing new accounts into MvsM. I was actually shocked the Countdown started as we were told we couldn't win.

Plus everyone knows I had already unlocked all Crystal Campaign-goodies and was top of the Leaderboard already thanks to my ACTUAL farming war against Gurgeh...

So long story short, new player Gurgeh recaptures ships and delays the ends of games by decolonizing planets and skyrockets up the Leaderboard in literally a few games. Naturally a thread occurs drawing attention to it, everyone calls it farming, even Emork who objects strongly to Gurgehs actions. But then Joshua states Gurgeh is NOT farming... I could only respond with "Lol, wut?".

So I publicly announced my protest farming, and only in ONE of my many Sectors at the time, to block Gurgeh from getting into a Championship and/or pressure the Admins to end the Achievement Points reward for capturing ships, and put a maximum on rewards to discourage delaying the end of games by uncolonizing planets in this Sector http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/78898

Time passes and Gurgeh quits the site and I end my protest, which moved me up the Leaderboard (but I already had max Rank and everything unlocked, and like I said, turned down Championships, no harm, no foul).

They removed the Achievement Points reward for capturing ships, which I like to think was because of my protest, but Joshua/Big Beefer have annoyingly or perhaps wisely not commented if it influenced them. It took effort and wasn't fun so I really want a cookie for that.

However uncolonizing planets to delay the end of games is still an ongoing problem... a Custom Public Sector has been paused indefinitely by the Human Host to combat a pair of players doing this in his Sector. I won't name names because I'm scared the Admins will side with the farmers.
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2nd Mentorship

http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/138501 ; Again the early droppers resulted in turning it into a 1vs1, so I just goofed around and helped Xanuki get the most planets, you can see I decolonized planets to make sure he won.

Right now my Achievement points are withering away due to not being in games, and haven't even played in a 11 Player Sector since Badges were introduced either. So it should be obvious I never cared about being in a Championship or had any reason to farm in the first place.

Xanuki is still around and my heart glows a bit when I see him post or one of his games finishes.

He probably thinks I'm a dick now thanks to my, 'fight fire with fire' war against Whisperer.

:(

133 days, 5 hours, 25 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

"AT: I suppose I have 'stepped fully into it' now."

Yup... I recount the past and explain my version of events to the point it is akin to being waterboarded.

If you value your sanity, don't ever Google "site:planets.nu Glyn Whisperer"... what is scary is the early much more Rule 1 violating era Activity Feed threads were accidentally lost... this is also why many Sectors Activity Feeds are blank... in-game the messages are still there though.

132 days, 13 hours, 50 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

> my Achievement points are withering away due to not being in games

That's not how it works.

From: http://play.planets.nu/#/howtoplay/leaderboard
> If a player does not log in and has been out of premium for 90 days, their historical achievement points will degrade at the rate of 3% per month. This could result in a reduction in rank.

The original announcement was http://play.planets.nu/#/post/coming-changes-to-the-leaderboard

132 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

"A player is considered 'inactive' if they have not logged into the site for 90 days or 90 days after their premium membership expires (any player with a valid premium membership will never be considered inactive)." ; http://play.planets.nu/#/post/coming-changes-to-the-leaderboard

@Whisperer: Learn to read please.

132 days, 12 hours, 25 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

@Glyn,

> Learn to read

I have properly interpreted the information provided.

> A player is considered 'inactive' if they have not logged into the site for 90 days or 90 days after their premium membership expires

This is clarified by Big Beefer farther down in the announcement:
> Regrading the inactivity penalty (not yet implemented), so long as you log in at least once every 90 days you won't be penalized. Even if just to say hi or read some news or whatever. This is really meant to just start clearing players who are truly gone from the top of the leaderboard.

That clarification was used to create the wording used in the documentation.

While it's true that you must log into the site to play a game, you also need to log into the site to post. By posting, you're maintaining your active state on this site, so your Achievement Points don't age off.

132 days, 12 hours, 23 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

"Whisperer: This is clarified by Big Beefer farther down in the announcement:"

So? You posted; "Whisperer: The original announcement was http://play.planets.nu/#/post/coming-changes-to-the-leaderboard"

132 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

> So?

So, back to my original claim:
> > my Achievement points are withering away due to not being in games

> That's not how it works.

> From: http://play.planets.nu/#/howtoplay/leaderboard
> > If a player does not log in and has been out of premium for 90 days, their historical achievement points will degrade at the rate of 3% per month. This could result in a reduction in rank.

That claim has been challenged and the challenge demonstrated to be false.

132 days, 11 hours, 57 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

@Glyn you have 4098 achievement points on 1st April 2019. Lets see if it goes down.

But I also think as you are logging onto the site this number should not go down.

Do you know the value a few months ago?

132 days, 11 hours, 53 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

@Martinr: Please read what I have actually posted not what Whisperer is imagining I posted.

132 days, 11 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

Just saying time will tell as I have read what you have said and what BB has posted and time will tell.

132 days, 11 hours, 41 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

@Martinr: Oh it's a great topic, in fact last time it came up we made no progress on it... we can watch Gurgeh's since he has a large number and thus the % reduction should show quicker.

I make what is a series of huge posts and he nitpicks me slightly misspeaking totally off topic issue? He's just being a troll, he wasn't trying to help... anyone else say something like that and he'd not say a thing.

He's a stalking bully and should be treated as such.

132 days, 11 hours, 37 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

"Whisperer: That claim has been challenged and the challenge demonstrated to be false."

Lies.

@Whisperer: I disputed nothing... learn to read please.

However if you nitpick, I'll nitpick back. Just like Sirad above tried to bully Sudakan by repeating "Calm down" twice in single post and I repeated it back.

If you can't even recognize when your behaviour is being emulated and mocked, even though you've been told that is how you will be treated... then you clearly are just trolling.

132 days, 11 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

> we can watch Gurgeh's

Irrelevant. Gurgeh doesn't log on to post. That fits the description I provided previously. It has nothing to do with whether or not your Achievement Points will be reduced.

132 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

"Whisperer: Irrelevant. Gurgeh doesn't log on to post"

@Whisperer: What? How is it going to decrease if he logs on?

"Whisperer: It has nothing to do with whether or not your Achievement Points will be reduced."

WTF does this have to do with me? Obvious troll is obvious.

132 days, 11 hours, 15 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

@Admital+Tightpants: Just in case you didn't clue in... in my post I gave Whisperer shit for not admitting when wrong because it creates confusion.

So I copied his behaviour here... and naturally he's losing his shit over it and he doesn't like it.

MAYBE I've reached him and now he'll finally start admitting when wrong... kinda skeptical since I literally tell him what I'm doing and why he shouldn't do it and that didn't work.

Fighting fire with fire naturally will lead people to confuse me for being the bad guy. I'm ok with that. Eventually I won't have to... or at least I hope so.

132 days, 11 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

> How is it going to decrease if he logs on?

It's not, although you posted above "my Achievement points are withering away due to not being in games". Your earlier post was in error.

> "Whisperer: That claim has been challenged and the challenge demonstrated to be false."

> Lies.

The challenge was in http://play.planets.nu/#/activity/4114335

It was demonstrated to be false in http://play.planets.nu/#/activity/4114441

132 days, 10 hours, 55 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

"Whisperer: Your earlier post was in error."

@Admital+Tightpants: Aw shit he's not cluing in at all... kick it up a notch?

__

@Whisperer: WHAT? WHEN AND WHERE WAS I WRONG?!

Ok seriously, are you playing dumb? Also... does this mean everything else I posted to Admital Tightpants has no objection?

132 days, 10 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

"Whisperer: The challenge was in http://play.planets.nu/#/activity/4114335"

@Whisperer: Ok now you managed to actually make a stupid claim that I have to take seriously.

That was not a challenge, literally a tangent topic... I stated no games... not no Premium or no logging in. I can't challenge a correction by pointing out I'm wrong.

Back to sarcasm since apparently you need disclaimers...

Crazy huh, almost like I should have admitted when wrong to avoid confusion? Gee, if only there was someone in the community that suggested this before?!?!?

132 days, 10 hours, 45 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

HI Guys!
I would llke to return to the header of the thread

THE TIMM CONTINUUM is still a thing?

If NO...ok good

if YES,,,,,well..if yes then we need to lear more about it..

would you like to live in a country where the maximum punishment that a citizen can receive is not clearly reglamented?

Even more, also will be nice to know who are the low enforcers

I believe all of us need to lear clear rules about it

SDK

132 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

19 hours ago I posted in this thread;

"Glyn: One of the things I give Whisperer grief for is he will answer a question wrong and then refuse to do a correction or admit it"

"Glyn: my, 'fight fire with fire' war against Whisperer"

So I could not turn down the opportunity to do both.

But yes, my bad, not playing games doesn't result in losing Achievement points. I don't care about Achievement Points which was my actual point I was making... thus why I don't know the information on them as well as most things, bit like Cloning, not my wheelhouse.

Wouldn't it be wonderful if Whisperer admitted when he was wrong?

132 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

@Sudakan: I thought those were answered already...

"THE TIMM CONTINUUM is still a thing?"

Yes.

"if yes then we need to lear more about it.."

https://help.planets.nu/Tim-Continuum

"who are the low enforcers"

Joshua and Big Beefer.

131 days, 15 hours, 16 minutes ago

RE: THE TIM CONTINUUM What it takes for admin to decide to...

Tim Continuum is a device that is used to punish players.

It is inflicted on players by Admin.

It appears not be done automatically but by Admin after they have manually assessed the situation.

Usually it is after complaints by other players and the Admin investigate and if the player is to be punished they inflicted TC on them.

The number of times it is used doesn't seem to be that high and theire is no public announcement in the forums.

People get punished quietly here.