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1523 days, 11 hours, 58 minutes ago

What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes your planet over via ground attack or imperial assault? Does it stay the same or does it reset?

Same question for native happiness after losing to a such attacks.

Thank you

1523 days, 11 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

http://help.planets.nu/happiness

Just noticed Documentation is lacking the fact happiness of a planet only increases or decreases if there are colonist on it. (Correct?)

Native happiness is independent of who owns the planet, doesn't ever get reset.

Quoting Joshua here, "1) If you drop the clans on the rioting colonists they will all still be angry and killing each other

2) If you pick up all the clans (losing the planet) and then drop them back down next turn they will all be happy

3) If you pick up all clans on a starbase planet the starbase will be destroyed."

1523 days, 11 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

http://play.planets.nu/#/howtoplay/taxes-details

At the very bottom, there's a somewhat uninformative paragraph on the subject. I'd be interested in some more details.

1523 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

http://www.donovansvgap.com/help/happiness.htm

"Whenever a planet fights a ship-to-planet combat and doesn't change hands (i.e. it wins), colonist happiness drops 10 points. Natives have no problems with the planet being in combat."

"When a planet is taken over in ship-to-planet combat, the native happiness drops 20 points."

Too tired to confirm if missing from official Documentation, sorry Gnerphk...

"A little undocumented feature, which is probably a bug: natives will not riot if there is no fuel on a planet. True op to and including 3.22.026, don't know if it's considered important enough to fix in future versions."

WHAT? Well that I got to try!

1523 days, 11 hours, 10 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

Actually, native happiness will change even without colonists present.

1523 days, 10 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

@Oho: Yeah I'm thinking of the ghost-natives bug... figured I might be off of that one.

1523 days, 10 hours, 0 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

In general, native happiness doesn't change when no colonists are present. I can confirm that.

There are, of course, some exceptions.

1523 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

Well, I can confirm that native happiness does change even without colonists. I guess there could be exceptions and I'd be happy to hear them.

1523 days, 9 hours, 47 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

When HISSS missions, Pillage/Plunder, and RGA are active, natives can change happiness therefrom.

My own tests, while not exhaustive, have demonstrated to my own satisfaction that native happiness doesn't change on its own unless someone's there to witness it. Likewise, population won't increase, small meteors tend not to fall, and spontaneous mineral generation within the core will not occur.

Still, I've recently been informed that several of the truths that I've relied upon absolutely are different than I'd previously thought. If enough people back you up, @Oho, I might be willing to reconsider. I've been wrong before.

1523 days, 9 hours, 34 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

I retract my previous retraction.

I've confused three things as one... but I had it correct overall;

-Piss off natives, leave.... come back later, still pissed off.

-Exterminated natives still rioting, ghost-native bug.

-Native happiness can be negative 300, requires dropping a clan each Turn.

1523 days, 9 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

That would be amusing to watch. :o)

1523 days, 8 hours, 27 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

AAAAAHHHHH!!!!

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1522 days, 23 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

Glyn, maybe you should test it yourself so that you can change your mind again.. :)

Anyway, I have sometimes left freshly conquered planets with Natives in civil war empty until the happiness has increased to 0 to avoid losing colonists unnecessarily. I have also verified the following in my own private test games:

The following do _not_ require colonists:
-Factories produce supplies
-Native happiness change
-Structure decay
-Trans-uranium mutation (spontaneous mineral generation)
-Civil war / riot effects (clans killed, structures destroyed)

Requires colonists:
-Native growth
-Mineral mine production
-Taxation (if you try to tax natives and pull off all clans, the tax rate is reset to 0)

I do not know about small meteors, but how do you know it requires colonists to be present?

The zero fuel trick to prevent rioting does not work with NuHost.

Getting native happiness to -300 would require some serious effort (pillaging or conquering it in combat repeatedly come to mind) because taxrate is reset to 0 if happiness is already below 31.

1522 days, 21 hours, 26 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

Interesting. That's contrary to my experience, Oho. Sometimes, what you say is.

Structure decay I've seen, but never factory production without colonists.

As I said, I'll need some backup for your opinion before I jump on believing it.

1522 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: What happens to colonists happy points after an enemy takes...

It is easy to create the backup yourself - it shouldn't take more than 15 minutes to verify most of that in a private game against the computer.