Blitz Tournament 0029

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2295 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

Blitz Tournament 0029

We welcome all potential officers throughout the Nuniverse to come together and participate in the Blitz Tournament 0029, titled Breakthru the 4th dimension. This tournament will support 32 players.

Please read and understand the regulations linked above before posting that you want to sign up in this tournament. Don't forget to PM me your primary and secondary races if you wish to be in this tournament.

2294 days, 11 hours, 42 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ah the long waited tournament makes a comeback!

I'll PM you in a sec!

2294 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

To make sure I understand the primary/secondary race choices... You always use the primary in the first game of each match, but are free to use either for the rest of the games?

2294 days, 6 hours, 27 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yes. Race switching is permitted, but not required, in between games, and that the primary race must be used in the first game of each pairing

2294 days, 5 hours, 16 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

CSY,

A link to the blitz setup would be useful.

2294 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The link to the Blitz setup is located in the first post, boldfaced.

This is the link for those using the updated activity feed: Breakthru the 4th dimension

Six (6) players have already signed up as of this reply, three new, and three returning

2294 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes ago

veldan

CSY, links don't shift up in the new "activity feeds". You have to copy/paste the link text.

2294 days, 4 hours, 18 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Evidently, edited posts do not show up in the "activity feed", either.

Here's the long link: sites.google.com/site/csplanets/legacy/tournaments/breakthru4

2294 days, 2 hours, 27 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

what are 'lp' and 'lp awards'?

also are the games best of three? can i switch back to my primary race after the second game if i wish? does my adversary know if i switch and when?

2294 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

CSY,

Perhaps I am being unclear.

On the page link, it mentions being familiar with Nu's blitz mechanics.

That's what I am looking for as I don't see that information on the link above.

2294 days, 2 hours, 13 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@bane: it just means you should play a few blitzes before joining. even better if you manage to win a few while at it.

2294 days, 1 hours, 53 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thanks for answering Bane's concerns, Turssi. I've clarified that point in the regulations.

Regarding other questions, LP stands for ladder points, a separate ranking system I use for these tournaments.

Most pairings are best of three (Bo3). Only the semi-finals (Bo5) and winner's finals (Bo7) deviate from this. While you are required to use your primary race in the first game of each pairing, you are allowed (but not required) to switch your race selection for the remainder of the pairing.

Depending on the interface used, your opponent may or may not know your selection. Nu Version 2 (the ancient interface) does not hide racial information, and is the reason I require the winner to host each subsequent game in a pairing. Nu Version 4 appears to hide it, but I don't have definitive information that it's reliable.

2293 days, 11 hours, 44 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'd like to sign up for the tournament

2293 days, 11 hours, 41 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Sign Me up!!

2293 days, 11 hours, 41 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

ville kauppinen

And sign up here also.

2293 days, 11 hours, 11 minutes ago

veldan

To signup go here
http://planets.nu/user/challengespaceyard
and send challenges a private message.
(When are we going to get that back on the new site?)

2293 days, 3 hours, 58 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@csy: How long do you expect the tournament to last (after you get 32 participants all lined up that is)?

If I remember correctly the last one had fewer participants and took various months?

2293 days, 3 hours, 33 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Assuming all goes well, I estimate 0029 to last between four and seven months.

0008 took only a mere two months, but every pairing was a Bo3, with only a single 2-1 result. 0013 lasted six months, but it was heavily plagued by glitches, including a glitch that necessitated a week-long freeze.

Subconsciously, we should realize that we are beta testing the Nu version 4, but so far it seems quite solid. I hope it stays that way

-CSY

2291 days, 11 hours, 41 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

What are LPs?

2291 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@coldsteel: LP in this context stands for Ladder Points, used in an independent ranking as shown: http://sites.google.com/site/csplanets/legacy/hof

Calculations are pretty simple. The more opponents you defeat in a single tournament, the greater the earnings. This especially becomes noticeable upon defeating a third or any subsequent opponent as the LPs double for each win in a tournament. In short, the formula is 2^n, where n equals the number of wins in a tournament.

Third places are an exception towards this rule. Securing third place results in a 50% increase compared to what you would otherwise earn at fourth place

2289 days, 8 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

So how are brackets determined?

2289 days, 8 hours, 28 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

For the time being, I currently provide a bracket template containing seed numbers. As for how I seed, I currently organize players by their "account rank", and then I will do some shuffling within each rank.

Due to the large height of the bracket, I've split it, along with the player list, into its own page: http://sites.google.com/site/csplanets/legacy/tournaments/breakthru4/bracket

2287 days, 12 hours, 27 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

My newest applicant, Chaosimar, expressed concern that the tournament may already be full. If this was a 16-player tournament, he would have just filled the last slot. Alas, this is a 32-player tournament, so we're only half full.

2278 days, 11 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

So..... it's been a while. How many players do we have now?

2278 days, 9 hours, 53 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Still have 12 open slots.

2278 days, 3 hours, 52 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'd like to join the tournament.

I've got a (probably dumb) question tough: I can't figure out how to send a private message. How is that done with the new interface?

I'd like to send my race selection to CSY

2278 days, 3 hours, 16 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Unfortunately, version 4 does not yet have PM support, so you must use the old version 2.

For your convenience, here's the profile address: http://planets.nu/user/challengespaceyard

2271 days, 15 hours, 20 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

joined.

I guess it would've been cowardly not to defend my throne!

2257 days, 7 hours, 17 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Now down to nine (9) open slots remaining. Seems like this place is becoming a haven for Supreme Commanders...

2240 days, 7 hours, 2 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Still filling up... Down to just six slots remaining. First come, first serve folks.

2224 days, 1 hours, 10 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Still got seven open slots remaining.

2223 days, 1 hours, 53 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm in.

2223 days, 1 hours, 14 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Verified just in time. I managed to download your application file just before the server that the signup is hosted on is having issues.

As a reference for other potential applicants, I'm still accepting PMs at this location in case of issues like the above:
* http://planets.nu/user/challengespaceyard

2218 days, 17 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

posted an announcement - if you want to have a newsfeed on the planets magazine, challengespaceyard, just let me know ..

2218 days, 2 hours, 2 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

OK, how do I set this up? I made a Planets Mag account some time ago, using the same account name as on Planets Nu itself.

2191 days, 5 hours, 58 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Dunno if this is going ahead but I just signed up

2191 days, 5 hours, 22 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Done. Thanks for applying. Now down to four

2144 days, 21 hours, 24 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

After much deliberation, I've decided to prepare to start Blitz Tournament 0029 on October 7, 2013. Check CHALLENGER PLANETS or PLANETS MAG for more information on this.

For this topic, I ask that my sign ups post here to confirm their interest regarding this tournament.

2144 days, 18 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm still alive if that is what you are asking....

2144 days, 14 hours, 5 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ready

2144 days, 6 hours, 3 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I am still interested, work is mad atm but should come down to normal in 2-3 weeks and then until xmas/january when all hell breaks loose again as scheduled.

I can only promise a turn a day, sorry if my enemys will be a bit bored. They can always quit and let me win ;)

2144 days, 5 hours, 54 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm in. Don't even remember what races I picked, but who doesn't like a surprise?

2144 days, 5 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yeah, still ready to go.

2144 days, 5 hours, 38 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

signed

2144 days, 1 hours, 27 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ready but forgot what races I picked :) Would not mind reviewing those before we start

2143 days, 8 hours, 14 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

still in

2143 days, 1 hours, 55 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

ready to go

2141 days, 9 hours, 33 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Where did all that blitz spirit go after five months of sign ups? I would prefer to get at least 16 of us ready to play. The more, the better

2141 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Is it really any surprise that some have dropped out after all this time? Nonetheless, yes, 16 makes sense. Fingers crossed 16 are still good to go!

2141 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Is it really any surprise that some have dropped out after all this time? Nonetheless, yes, 16 makes sense. Fingers crossed 16 are still good to go!

2141 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Is it really any surprise that some have dropped out after all this time? Nonetheless, yes, 16 makes sense. Fingers crossed 16 are still good to go!

2141 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Is it really any surprise that some have dropped out after all this time? Nonetheless, yes, 16 makes sense. Fingers crossed 16 are still good to go!

2140 days, 22 hours, 12 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hey

Sorry, I didn't see this was starting up again. I haven't been paying too much attention to the forums over the last couple of months.

I'm still good to go though.

2140 days, 15 hours, 39 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

subscribe

2136 days, 17 hours, 33 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

+1

2136 days, 17 hours, 6 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm in, too :-)

2136 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Seriously - what on earth is going on?
not many days ago you said 'well, perhaps we can start with 16 players' - or words to that effect. Now you post something saying 'the Blitz Tournament will support 32 players.

Can you clarify what your actual target is? I have been holding off entering more games for about two months now.

2136 days, 16 hours, 7 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yeah, a little status update would be nice. I'm looking forward playing :)

2136 days, 15 hours, 24 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Cardno the "now" was 5 month ago. ;)

2136 days, 10 hours, 25 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Indeed, the originally slated goal of 32 was never reached, even after five months of signups. This was record-breaking compared to previous tournaments which had filled up their 16 within the week.

I'll consider this to be a lesson to not offer another 32 bracket until I see a considerably high demand for organized play.

2136 days, 10 hours, 17 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm still in too.

2136 days, 8 hours, 27 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I repeat: You said not many days ago that perhaps you will consider 16. Casual observance would suggest more than 16 have responded to say they are still in. Nonetheless, can you give some indication of how many players are still in.

Logic would dictate that if you wait too long, there does come a point where you will lose as many (or more) as you incrementally gain. Time moves on, people's interest moves on.

Do you mind responding to how many you have currently, so I can make an informed decision.

I appreciate the time and effort you are putting into making this happen, but there comes a time....

2136 days, 8 hours, 25 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

https://sites.google.com/site/csplanets/legacy/tournaments/breakthru4/bracket

2136 days, 7 hours, 53 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thanks Lord Helmet. 17 it is then. If the aim is still for 32, i'm a goner. Just a few weeks ago we thought we were about two shy of our 32. This illustrates my point above. Suggest that you aim for 16. If no-one else drops out, I will do so (although I really prefer to play), just so you have exactly 16 and can make a start.

2136 days, 6 hours, 41 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Now that I have rounded up AT LEAST 16, I can now safely announce an update. I will now prepare to start on Oct 15.

Depending on the number of players, I will arrange a qualification/arrange some byes round to knock the participants down to 16, and then go on from there as a standard knockout bracket.

2136 days, 5 hours, 21 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

happy to hear! :)

2135 days, 10 hours, 13 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I just updated all the "account ranks" for all of the signups.

2135 days, 8 hours, 29 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm in too.

2133 days, 13 hours, 29 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Im in too

2133 days, 11 hours, 24 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Great! A brand new application!

2130 days, 16 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I am missing my Blitz nemesis @Lokilohm in the list, and actually his complete profile seems to be wiped out - what happened to him?

2130 days, 16 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I will be your new nemesis - game being created now..

2129 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

So, are we starting the tournament?

2129 days, 12 hours, 42 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yeah! Yeah! Yeah!

2129 days, 12 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Sounds like fun! If there is still room, please add me.

2129 days, 4 hours, 31 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I can finally start this tournament. Let the popcorn and fireworks begin!

2129 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hurray! Well, in Germany it's bedtime now ... so, worthy opponent, c u tomorrow!

CSY, would you say something about the expected schedule to finish games and so or where I can read about it. Thx!

2129 days, 4 hours, 20 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

any seats for audience and fan boyz? where are those hats and scarfs sold? serving nachos with chili or cheese?

2129 days, 3 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Wow, my bracket of 8 is scaring me...

2129 days, 1 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

How does this work? Will Nu assign me to my game or do I need to actively do something?

Yeah, my bracket is scary too. Yikes indeed.

2129 days, 1 hours, 3 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I just created a blitz game, gave it an obvious name, and sent my opponent a pm with the link to it. That was my understanding of the process, but someone should tell me if I'm wrong.

Or you should have just played in a championship game, so instead of having to figure this out, you could just sit around and eat doughnuts through the first round. Laziest bunch of "supreme commanders" I've ever seen...

2129 days, 0 hours, 54 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Big+Beefer: Yes, this is the way past blitz tournaments were handled.

Unfortunately, because of the way the newer interface works, the option to make your blitz game private (to prevent unwanted matchmaking) was ditched, so you may still encounter random opponents whom choose to start a blitz game from the ancient interface.

If Joshua was to prevent the blitz option from being selectable from the ancient interface, this would be less of a problem.

2128 days, 21 hours, 19 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Well i am sure my oponent can create a blitz for us... time to meet the maker!

2128 days, 18 hours, 24 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ah, I see. Dead31, prepare yourself! :)

2128 days, 16 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Fight and destroy!!

Or destroy than fight!!

2128 days, 13 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hey Big Beefer, looks like someone else joined our game. I made a new one here: http://planets.nu/#/sector/75217/players

2128 days, 10 hours, 12 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

It's nice to have these warm-up games before meeting the Supreme Commanders of the tournament. Crackpot should be creating our first match shortly and then off we go!

2128 days, 10 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

But, which race must we choose? At https://sites.google.com/site/csplanets/legacy/tournaments/breakthru4 I've read:

"Players are required to pick a primary race, which they must use in the first game of each pairing. They are recommended to have a secondary race that they may fall back to. They will be the only two races allowed throughout the tournament, and should not be published while there are open slots."

Please, CSY, could you clarify the process?
Regards

2128 days, 10 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

http://planets.nu/#/sector/75230/players - To fight Valhalla in round 1.

2128 days, 10 hours, 8 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm sorry, I've seen race assignments here: https://sites.google.com/site/csplanets/legacy/tournaments/breakthru4/bracket
Ps I did it ranmly, like last tournament... Fed and Bird? My Dear!

2128 days, 9 hours, 45 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

OK, deleted the one I created and joined Coldsteel's... off we go!

2128 days, 9 hours, 41 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Calbasi,

We all saw them as that link was posted here. I think it is OK as I'm guessing that this link was posted AFTER we all made our choices.

As I understand it, you must use your first race choice in game 1, as do I. So I must play the Liz and you must play the Feds. After that, either of us can play one of the two race choices we posted.

Host, please correct me if any of this is incorrect as this is my first time playing in this format.

2128 days, 9 hours, 30 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yes, Valhalla is correct with respect to how the race options are picked.

2128 days, 9 hours, 5 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Game 1 of Calbasi vs Valhalla is underway here:

http://planets.nu/#/sector/75230

We are both playing our first race "choice".

-V-

2128 days, 8 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

What kind of a map can be considered 'tilted'? Should there be 8 planets next to each HW?

Are the massive meteor strikes still present?

2128 days, 8 hours, 24 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I found the race choices everyone made to be interesting... particularly how the lack of need for real logistics has tossed 3 of the traditional "power" races to the curb. No Privateers, borg, or colonies!

I crunched some numbers, if your interested (I counted players who only picked a primary race as having chosen that race twice):

Fe 10
Li 6
Bi 7
Fa 3
Pr -
Bo -
Cr 6
Em 1
Ro 9
Re 2
Co -

2128 days, 8 hours, 0 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi
I put my name down for this, got a private message from you a couple of weeks back (Which I replied to), but haven't been included.... :(

2128 days, 7 hours, 54 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Stenweb: Check the Detailed Bracket as shown by Calbasi or Lord Helmet. You are listed as seed #11.

2128 days, 5 hours, 5 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Big Beefer

Interesting results. To me these mini games still have logistics, just greatly scaled down logistics.

Another difference is that you are on your own, there are no others to ally with or trade ships with. Therefor you need to pick a race that can stand on its own quite well. The Priv and Borg are indeed powerhouse races but they both, for different reasons, really need a good wingman race. Both of these races have a lot to offer/trade in standard games. The Colonies are strong but have no good way to deal with cloakers.

The birds don't usually rank high but in this format their ability as a sudden surprise home world killer fleet can't be ignored. Xtals and Bots are royal pain in the backside to attack. Xtlas more so but the bots also bring big ships to the party. Feds are rolling in cash, can get their tech up fast and have some nice larger mid sized ships. I'm not sure that retrofit matters as there is essentially no ship limit. Liz have a strong economy and my favorite, ground assault. I see these races as being the more self sufficient races in the game.

2128 days, 1 hours, 29 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Crackpot vs turssi, first leg @ http://planets.nu/#/sector/75248

2128 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Interesting concept - as I've found myself enjoying the blitz games immensely, I must get in on the next go around of this.

2127 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Only 3 games running so far? Post those game links ppl!

2127 days, 1 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I have added the ability to create Private blitz games to avoid accidental joinings. Once you create a private game send the link to the other player.

2126 days, 12 hours, 8 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Figak vs Joshua, fist one: http://planets.nu/#/sector/75371

Fun Fun Fun!

2126 days, 11 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ville Kauppinen vs Azzazzello
http://planets.nu/#/sector/75301

2126 days, 4 hours, 10 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Go Lizards!

2126 days, 2 hours, 47 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

It took 33 turns but finally that sweet moment a Rebel Ground Assault on the enemy HW has been reached!

2124 days, 6 hours, 41 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

http://planets.nu/#/sector/75325

Stenweb vs kain7

first match ends,

Kain7 wins!

be ready for next

2124 days, 6 hours, 36 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Good job to Kain.

Next match: http://planets.nu/#/sector/75579

2124 days, 6 hours, 19 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Recorded. Thank you, Stenweb and Kain7.

2124 days, 2 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Just a note to stenweb, crystals (even enemy crystals) are immune to all web mines. That's why Kain7 was flying freely through your fields :-)

2123 days, 21 hours, 0 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Figak 0 Joshua 1

Nebulaed me to death

2123 days, 19 hours, 0 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

subscribe

2123 days, 17 hours, 30 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I think he see this problems:-)
crystal vs crystal is very painful.

second match

crystal vs crystal

2123 days, 17 hours, 22 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Heheh, nice outcome of the second match race poker :)

2123 days, 6 hours, 10 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

damn those Falcons and their RGA's :)

2123 days, 5 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Enemy HW down in 03 turns! Leg 2 to turssi as well!!!

2123 days, 5 hours, 38 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Cons to the rebellion!

2123 days, 5 hours, 21 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ouch! Turn 3?

2123 days, 4 hours, 56 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

3rd set of orders, so that would be turn 4. Joshua will need to confirm, but I think it can't be done any faster than this! At least not without the adversary cooperating!

2123 days, 4 hours, 53 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

This reminds me of the "helpmate" puzzles.

2123 days, 4 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Big Beefer, I guess I lost our tie. I thought I had until 22:00 since that's what the host information says.

2123 days, 4 hours, 43 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I was wondering what happened when it just ended like that! Anyways, I'm totally fine with a redo if that's within the tournament rules. Kind of a crappy way to get a win... and I never got to pay you back for destruction of the "Illegitimate Answer"!

2123 days, 4 hours, 42 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Turssi: You could use your starting mdsf to shave off a turn.

Theres always someone who has to try the 4 move checkmate.

2123 days, 4 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

That's advanced vgaplanets for sure, cptspiff! How do I kill an SB with the mdsf :-) ???

2123 days, 4 hours, 34 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

If you don't mind a re-do would be great! I actually had my preliminary turn done, just wanted to run some logistical calculations when I came home -- and I thought if I had checked holiday mode on that in case I forget/don't make it that my preliminary turn would still be run.

2123 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

That 22:00 is server time, not necessarily local time.

Anyhow, it appeared that the game was too early to decide the fate, so I'm going to nullify this entry since I got agreement from both parties.

2123 days, 3 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Oh yeah, we were just getting warmed up! I think tossing that game is definitely the right thing to do. Anyways, I've made another for us here when you get a chance to join, @coldsteel.

http://planets.nu/#/sector/75661

2123 days, 1 hours, 30 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Everyone in the blitz tournament should be feeling the affects of the recent change to less minerals on the ground (but roughly the same over all). One thing to note when playing your game is that when you look at the game page you can see the average amount of each mineral that exists on a given map. The mineral bar graph now shows the average in thousands for that mineral. 1.0 would be an average of 1000 of that mineral on each planet in the game, 0.8 would be an average of 800 per planet.

2121 days, 20 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Stenweb vs Kain7

second match ends.

Stenweb - Kain7 : 0-1

TOTAL

Stenweb - Kain7 : 0-2

2121 days, 8 hours, 15 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

What happened to our match? I wasn't able to do my turn for a day and I got an email saying "Game over".???

2121 days, 8 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

i have 90% military i think
i was surprised too, cause i look and there stand "game over i win".

i dont look more..

2121 days, 8 hours, 9 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

A player that misses ONE turn is credited with a loss when host runs at 22:00 server time.

2121 days, 3 hours, 28 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Your VGA Planets game 75590: 1 on 1 Blitz has ended. You have won! Your blitz rating is now 1515.

2nd leg goes to turssi as well, who now follows kain7 to the second round of the Blitz tournament!

Thanks for the two great and greatly different games crackpot!!!

2121 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

1st leg of turssi vs andy44 here: http://planets.nu/#/sector/75773

2120 days, 13 hours, 6 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Observer info: Valhalla vs. Calabasi

Turn: 27
Total Ships: 68

More then some accumulate in a regular game :)

2120 days, 12 hours, 55 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

After reading the tournament rules i found that you have early post the match. So here my one.

Ted - Kain7:
1.
http://planets.nu/#/sector/75747 - Ted
2.
http://planets.nu/#/sector/75762 - running

2120 days, 12 hours, 2 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Game 1 of Round 2 between Azzazzello and Ville Kauppinen has ended.

http://planets.nu/#/sector/75301

2120 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ted - Kain6 - Round 2 finished. Awaiting opponent Round 3.

2120 days, 9 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

You really took Kain7 down a notch!

2119 days, 23 hours, 44 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

"Observer info: Valhalla vs. Calabasi

Turn: 27
Total Ships: 68

More then some accumulate in a regular game :)"

HHHIIIISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS ! :-)

2119 days, 22 hours, 39 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Forgot to post the link, VK Azz match 2:
http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/75795

2119 days, 11 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

2nd game goes to VK

2119 days, 10 hours, 49 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Seems like there was a total annihilation/opponent resigned, as the game link is no longer valid.

2119 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

VK probably deleted the game already. I lost that one as much as I hate to say it

2119 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

3rd game between Azz / VK
http://planets.nu/#/sector/75859

2119 days, 10 hours, 26 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Oh, my Lizard brothers fight each other. May the stronger egg win!

2119 days, 10 hours, 23 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

CYS, I heard nothing from JoeSnoffy and Cardno. You know if they are already playing?

2119 days, 10 hours, 20 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yeah looks like I deleted the whole game, sorry :D

2119 days, 9 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I have been trying to get in contact with Cardno, but so far without luck.

2119 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

May I suggest that the host consider giving it a few more days and then filling the slot with a replacement that expressed interest but missed the cut?

2119 days, 8 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

If there is an open slot, I will HAPPILY jump in and play. Been watching from the sidelines and wishing I could join.

2119 days, 5 hours, 45 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Cardno replied to the one message received from you and hasn't heard since. (that was a week ago) Woke up this morning, found a message from the host and has replied. I was interstate day before yesterday, arriving home late that day and straight to work. Now Saturday morning 7am here in Aus and there is no problem here.

2119 days, 5 hours, 43 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Good to hear that you are safe. Welcome back, Cardno.

2119 days, 5 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

One question I do have - we are creating the blitz games in the normal place for blitz game creation, yes? The only reason I haven't created a game prior to now, was no reply from Joe and not certain whether that was the right place, and concerned if it was that a casual member of the public would join the game instead of Joe.

2119 days, 5 hours, 39 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yes, that is correct. It is worth noting that the option to make your blitz games private has been restored.

2119 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Alright, time to get started then! I had during the course of the pre game delay changed my primary race to Robots, but the message must not have got through. No worries, just happy to be playing!

Will create a game now

Cheers!

2119 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Joe, Cardno, have fun!

2119 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I think I made the error of replying to the Nu email notification.

I'm a bit unsure how to share the link to the private game. Any tips anyone? The url seems to simply have a generic link to the blitz site?

2119 days, 5 hours, 23 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Visit the game page where you created the game, and it should provide a link to the game

Here's an example: http://planets.nu/#/sector/75627

2118 days, 15 hours, 5 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The first match between Cardno and JoeSnoffy has started:
http://planets.nu/#/sector/75914

JoeSnoffy

2118 days, 14 hours, 55 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Could we have info when quarterfinals start?

2118 days, 2 hours, 43 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Rebels took a beating from the robots finally as andy44 shows turssi how to execute a blitz game.

Trying to create the 2nd leg gives me the following: SyntaxError: JSON.parse: bad escaped character

2118 days, 0 hours, 36 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi Turssi, good first leg of the match!

You'll have to give your Rebel captains a crash course in navigating through minefields... a couple (un)lucky mine hits was definitely the difference in that game.

I can create the second leg of the match. But first a quick question in blitz etiquette:

When I created the blitz game, it immediately took me into the main dashboard and started my turn - where I could of course see my starting position.

If I was inclined, I could repeatedly cancel and create games until I had a starting position that suited me (e.g., a Birdmen intending to do a quick first strike could ensure himself a starting position close to the middle of the map).

Am I doing anything incorrectly (I went to Game List -> Blitz -> Start Game)? Is there a way to guarantee that the game's starting positions are truly random?

For example, if starting a blitz game didn't automatically take you to the dashboard, then your turn would be marked as "not looked at" (shaded white), and a joining opponent would see this and know that the starting positions are truly random.

2118 days, 0 hours, 25 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Good question as something similar bothered me.

I seen some maps that are unwinnable given 2 roughly equal opponents. Imagine a pear shape map where HW is on one side with only 2-3 warp 9 reachable planets and all other planets clustered very closely on the other side (i.e most reachable by warp 5 or 6) on the other side.

VK and I handled it differently-we just offered each other a restart on turn 1 if it looked really unbalanced.

One good way I see to handle this without making to many rules is to allow up to 2 restarts per round (i.e 3 games).

Azzazzello

2118 days, 0 hours, 2 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

This is the third time I've witnessed this concern. As per one of my off-screen discussions, if I could host a blitz game without actually taking one of the two slots, there would be no need to add a regulation limiting map scumming (which would be nearly impossible to enforce anyway).

2117 days, 23 hours, 56 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

It would be good if we could only make one game and invite the other person in eliminating the option to make many games and find one that has an advantage. I assume that no one here is doing that but sooner or later someone will.

If both sides agree to a restart then all is well. :-)

Otherwise, if both don't agree, then players should simply play the hand they are dealt. It is best of 3 so that helps reduce the role of bad luck from the final results. After all, bad luck comes in many forms, starting position is just one of them. Ion storms is one that seems to haunt me. In any case, great players find ways to deal with problems and a small subset of not so good players are brilliant at coming up with an endless stream of plausible excuses.

A best of 3 eliminates a lot of the randomness.

2117 days, 6 hours, 54 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I do like the option of re-hosting if one of the players feels the map is clearly unbalanced at the beginning.

2116 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

2nd leg of Andy44 vs. Turssi here: http://planets.nu/#/sector/76060

2113 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

3 days no new result. Go guys, it's a B_L_I_T_Z tournament! :)

2113 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

It's turn 43 and I'm taking a beating. How's that for news?!

2113 days, 2 hours, 58 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Turssi: Uh, turn 43, looks like a tough match. 7 : 4 warships, so the decision could be near.

I take an occasional look at the _first_ leg of Valhalla vs. Calbasi http://planets.nu/#/sector/75230 because I have to challenge the winner. It's turn 40 with 61 : 21 war ships. Way before the ship limit! :)

2113 days, 0 hours, 37 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

After 51 turns I'm dead and out of the tournament. GG andy44 and good luck in the next round!

I'll be cheering for my fellow Rebel King Emork!

2113 days, 0 hours, 28 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thanks for a couple fun games Turssi.

On to the next round, where I think Ted is going to take out his frustrations from our Oceanlandia Sector game on me.

2112 days, 17 hours, 17 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Andy44: Well, in some games there is a player who get all... attention of the other players while some other are nearly ignored :) Since i cannot give you my full attention in such a game you can be sure that you get it in this one :)

I will send you via pm a few games to prevent bad luck maps so you can choose the first.

2112 days, 12 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Attn: emork the lizard king

You might be waiting a while. . . This isn't going to end anytime soon.

Sure I have lots of ships but some of them are hissers safely secured in the back ranks. . .

Meanwhile the Feds did what I did, they built a lot of bases, so we now both have stationary "carriers". This makes attacking planets for either side that much harder.

The Feds also have done an excellent job of spreading their pop out which makes ground assault a lot less effective.

I still think I'll eventually prevail - but my opponent seems to think the same thing! Who knows who is right?

What I do know is that this battle isn't going to end anytime soon! And has been a lot of fun. Kudos to the host and participants in this series.

-V-

2112 days, 12 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Figak vs Joshua - Game 2 : http://planets.nu/#/sector/76239

2112 days, 11 hours, 45 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Valahalla: No problem, take your time. I'm busy with my nightmares. It's interesting that even a 16-planets match can become a war of attrition. Especially in the light of the recent discussion about ship limit and pbp. You are actually playing without ship limit and pbp don't matter and despite of this a stall-like situation occurs.
I'm sure this is fun, enjoy.

2112 days, 9 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I think the pattern also has to do with our play styles. There is some attrition but there are also various attacks back and forth that are close to evenly matched.

He just took out a newly built and still vulnerable front-line SB of mine. Drat! I just picked off some ships from his most distant and "secure" planet. . .

I think a ship limit helps force an end - perhaps not to my advantage since his big ship is much bigger than mine. Then again, I have more PBPs so if we had a scaled down ship limit I'd get more builds.

2111 days, 14 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Valhalla, if you agree I could host a second game while first is running, to go faster to Emork :-p

2111 days, 13 hours, 43 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ted vs. Andy44 underway!

http://planets.nu/#/sector/76247

2111 days, 10 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Calbasi

Good idea. I agree. Go for it!

-V-

2111 days, 9 hours, 6 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Beefer takes game 1 against ColdSteel. I have created game 2 for you to join as well:

http://planets.nu/#/sector/76329

2111 days, 6 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I like the previous suggestion of the person hosting sending 3 maps to the other person.

Big Beefer, can you create two more maps?

2110 days, 1 hours, 36 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@ColdSteel, I don't know what happened to that last game I setup. Seems like it timed out or something. Anyways, I've made 3 more as you requested, so let me know which one you'd like to play, and I'll delete the others. They are:

http://planets.nu/#/sector/76441
http://planets.nu/#/sector/76442
http://planets.nu/#/sector/76443

2109 days, 14 hours, 39 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Congratulations to JoeSnoffy (Bots) v.s. Cardno (Xtals). 24 turns, and the game is his. (dammit, I was SURE I sent a message to challenge asking to change my primary race away from xtals to Bots!). Since I signed up to this Blitz Tournament, I have had great success in Blitz games as Bots. Sighs. Looking forward to another shellacking as the xtals in game two!

2109 days, 14 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Let's use the first one: http://planets.nu/#/sector/76441

2109 days, 12 hours, 17 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Cardno, I was a bit concerned by your heavy disruptor minesweepers. My minefields were gone pretty fast.
I was very lucky to find a nice bovinoid planet within 81 LY of my starting position. The lack of duranium will probably mean that I try Fed in the second match.

Best wishes,

JoeSnoffy

2109 days, 12 hours, 8 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I just happen to still be awake - create the second game now if you are around to see this message and then buzz me....

2109 days, 11 hours, 56 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi Cardno,
Game created and sent you a PM.

Best wishes,

JoeSnoffy

2109 days, 11 hours, 51 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Second game CptSpiff vs QQuasar started:
http://planets.nu/#/sector/76368

2109 days, 11 hours, 47 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Done - first turn posted.

2109 days, 11 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Second game between Valhalla and Calbasi:
http://planets.nu/#/sector/76387

2109 days, 3 hours, 40 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Second game between Andy44 and Ted: http://planets.nu/#/sector/76452

(we started it before the first game was complete)

2107 days, 14 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Andy takes first leg of Andy44 vs Ted in 28 turns.

2107 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Fear Andys Robots! Good that my second race are the colonies :)

Second match:
http://planets.nu/#/sector/76452

2106 days, 8 hours, 28 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

What happened to game #75230? (Valhalla vs. Calbasi Game 1)

2106 days, 5 hours, 26 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm not totally sure but I believe I won round 1.

While it would have been some time before I got to 90% given his 4 starbases and the cost to take them out, I've hit 70% military score and am able to pick off Calbasi's ships at will. I can kill his Missouri's with no ship losses and can take out his big boy for the price of a warp 1 T-Rex. I was also at the point where I can eliminate most Fed mine fields in a turn or two.

It looks like Calbasi missed his turn. I don't actually know if that was intentional or not. What I know for sure is that the game is over as I received a host message saying it was and I won.

Calbasi, can you please confirm this? I'd hate for the game to end if you didn't want it to. But I do think I have you in that instance.

In the mean time, game 2 is already started. . .

-V-

2106 days, 4 hours, 47 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Just yesterday we changed this policy on blitz games. They now behave like regular games that have 1 turn every day. You only lose if you miss 3 turns.

2106 days, 4 hours, 42 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

It didn't seem like my opponent was missing many turns. He was quite active until recently. We often ran extra turns early.

-V-

2106 days, 2 hours, 23 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Excellent, also means you have a countdown!

2105 days, 20 hours, 56 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi! I'm sorry because I'm very busy and I don't think about write you -V- but what I did was a "Resign" option... as you have suggested me ;-) I was fighting until my last ship, as I always do, but now:
- I have no spare time, due my work
- We have other players waiting for us...
Then, I decided resign ;-)
Congrats and go for our 2bd round :-)

2105 days, 20 hours, 38 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

>> "Just yesterday we changed this policy on blitz games. They now behave like regular games that have 1 turn every day. You only lose if you miss 3 turns."

What? Does this mean that you cannot do fast turns anymore (do your next turn as soon as both players are done)?

2102 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

3rd match of Ted vs Andy44 is running

http://planets.nu/#/sector/76779

2102 days, 13 hours, 37 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ah, this time Colo vs. Lizard. I'm curious how my backup race does against the Colos in a blitz. Have fun both of you!

2102 days, 3 hours, 12 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The second match between Cardno and JoeSnoffy has ended with another victory to JoeSnoffy.
http://planets.nu/#/sector/76466

Thank you for a nice game Cardno.

2102 days, 3 hours, 2 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm really enjoying both the blitz format and this tourney. Woot!

Challenging games so far.

-V-

2101 days, 18 hours, 52 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Congratz, Joe!

2100 days, 21 hours, 33 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I created it but did not delete it. Bur seems both player can delete a blitz.

Anyway, Colo vs Lizard was a lizard massacre. Compined colonial mines with a early virgo to sweep enemey mines and lose of the lizard hw in T11.

Thx Andy for the exciting matches. So as next, bring me the so called lizard king! :)

2100 days, 21 hours, 23 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The game is automatically deleted once both players have left the finished game (although if the losing player resigned or was annihilated, then they are kicked from the game)

2100 days, 14 hours, 32 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Congratz Ted and good-bye Andy!

2100 days, 13 hours, 45 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I resigned the game. Sorry about that, I didn't realize the game would be deleted. It would have been interesting to review it from the other side.

Unfortunately, I didn't do the Lizards justice in that game. I made two terrible mistakes.

1) When you took that 8 million Boivanoid planet near your homeworld. I had a LCC with 270 clans in orbit. I had just taken the planet the turn before. But with your Virgo coming I meant to load all but one of the clans back on the LCC, then keep beaming them down to prevent you from owning the planet. But for some stupid reason I only beamed up 10 of the clans, your Virgo killed the other 260, and my LCC in orbit was useless. I'm not sure what your other 3 planets were like, but I'm guessing the Bovi planet was critical :)

2) You may have wondered why that TRex chased after your Cobol and didn't return back to defend my HW from your Virgo (I was one TRex short of killing the Virgo).... I set it to intercept the Cobol, but didn't load enough fuel for it to get back to my HW :(

By the way Ted, that was an excellent aggressive move on your part to attack my HW. I didn't even bother to boost my HW defenses because I thought your Virgo wouldn't be able to make it all the way. Were they tech 6 engines?

The other thing that hurt be that game was lack of MC. In the 8 planets closest to my HW, my only natives were 3 million Avian pre-tribal. I couldn't afford the beam tech to boost my sweeping power.

So don't get over confident Ted. The next Lizard player you run into will be a lot better than your last!

Looks like you've got a good wait before the semi-final, so if you want some Colo-Liz practice matches, I'll give you a better game!

2100 days, 9 hours, 14 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Andy:
I think the only good tactic against a lizard in a blitz is to lay mines to slow/stop the movement and attack fast because the more time passes the more difficult it will be to compensate the hiss+mining rate of the lizard. Your raised in T9 a second SB and this was the trigger for me to attack your homeworld. I could not be 100% sure to find your hw with the first try but i could track you waypoints of your cruiser over this boivanoid planet so only 2 planets could be your hw. So my warp6 virgo just suck 300 fuel to move with warp8 and made it. But yes, i was surprised that only one virgo was needed. I thought i will kill all your trex and support ships with the first try. But i did build second virgo in T9 and merlin in T11 so i was sure get you down because i had already another bovi planet even if it was not need to use it finally.

2100 days, 8 hours, 12 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Entering Tournament:
Lord Helmet vs. qquasar Part 1
http://planets.nu/#/sector/77035

2099 days, 5 hours, 45 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The first game between Bluejay and JoeSnoffy ended with victory to JoeSnoffy after some very even turns where the Birdmen was everywhere disrupting the robotic infrastructure. Luckily for the robotic leader a brave robotic commander decided to charge the Birdmen stronghold and was lucky enough to kill the starbase and capture planet.
JoeSnoffy 1 : 0 Bluejay

2099 days, 5 hours, 30 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Is it possible to let both players view multiple maps and then abort the game without it counting as a defeat for one of the players? The joining player lose if he resigns the game, but may the game creator delete the game before the first turn has run without losing the game?

2099 days, 5 hours, 26 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yes delete the game and it will be like it never happened.

2098 days, 10 hours, 58 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Joesnoffy vs bluejay game 2 started: http://planets.nu/#/sector/77173

2098 days, 10 hours, 44 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

is there a site where i can see who fights whom? and what te outcome was?

2098 days, 10 hours, 29 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

https://sites.google.com/site/csplanets/legacy/tournaments/breakthru4/bracket

It's a very nice site that CSY setup for this.

2096 days, 7 hours, 20 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Joshua 2 - Figak 0

http://planets.nu/#/sector/76239

Lasted 9 turns more than last time.

*You have become better at stalling the Fed steamroller(2/255)*

Clearly I need to re-learn the bird in blitz games.

2096 days, 6 hours, 42 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Figak:
I not want to be a fault-finder here. But I checked your game and find 2 big mistakes in your game play.

1. you played the blitz like a normal game. Heading with alot of ships warp7 to 64 lj planets to safe fuel is wrong here. You waste alot of colonizing time with this.

2. You build to late disruptor sweep ships and your birdmen first ship should be disruptor darkwing and no plasma resolute. The fed can only with big casualties counter a darkwing in the first 10 turns and Joshua build in all his games only a fleet of nebulas so far.

Just my 2 cents about this :)

2096 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Cheers @TED for the feedback, yes the 1st game was full of mistakes. I wasn't expecting such aggressive early moves.

The 2nd was less worse, but still bad, a lack of thought on duranium logistics cost me the game. THe game was going to be fine if I could get the 2 bovi planet and the 99% duranium to feed home. Having less planets made it easier in a way, in my 1st game it took me too much time to find the jewel planets.

Now I think having something stronger/earlier to simply counter the fields, a white/fearless with phasers would have done the trick parked in the middle of the map cloak-sweep-cloak the entire game. Then DW pairs all over the place, shame Reso just doesn't cut the butter, relearning the limits of my favorite ship.

I'm not used to the blitz format, but took the opportunity of the tournament to play some. Shame I missed the window when I had some proper time to play. Once I am down to 2 games (instead of current 4 - my personal maximum), I will train my blitz skills some more.

Hindsight is a bitch :P

2096 days, 5 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I'm not doing a very good job with the Birds either.

2096 days, 4 hours, 3 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Beefer takes the second game vs. ColdSteel to move on to the next round. Tough fights, Fed against Robot, well met sir!

A couple asides...

1. If you can coordinate achieving 90% military the same turn your opponent drops, you will actually (according to .nu) win the game twice! I received 2 emails each boosting my blitz score a little more. In fact, in this first round of the tournament, I have managed to accrue 5 wins.

2. I think with the minerals change, races that need a lot of duranium, either for hulls or for sweep-worthy beams, have it tough. Since the homeworld mineral densities are pretty much standard with 15% for duranium, no one (except lizards maybe) can build a duranium hungry fleet without having to locate and bring back more. The other minerals can be extracted at the HW much more quickly, so do not create such a pinch point.

2095 days, 2 hours, 14 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Joe kicked my ass again :( He wins our match 2-0.

2087 days, 23 hours, 26 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Valhalla vs. Calabasi - Game 2 Update
Turn 28

This game could continue for some time more unless my opponent chooses to tip his King. Here is where we are now:

I own 14 planets, Calabasi owns 0. The unowned ones are Amorph. I took out his HW a few turns ago. Unless he has a fleet of web mine immune darkwings over my homeworld, this game has been over for some time. . .

But. . .

I have "only" 80k military score, Calabasi has 30k in cloaking ships and ships (including a refinery ship) playing warp well games. So I'm not near the 90% needed to win and may not be for some time.

Calabasi is a quick study and is now making an art of the warp well dance. Kudos for that! As someone that likes to annoy my opponents, I fully respect and admire these moves.

Still, this game has been over for some time. 0 planets. No homeworld. . . Warp well moves only delay the inevitable when you have no planets. My space is web mined like Fort Knox. My HW can take on a darkwing or three.

At this time I would like to take the opportunity to once again state my opinion on military score: it is overly complex and it sucks. We got rid if it from main games and we should dump it from Blitx games as well.

The name of the game is planets and without any, your goose is cooked.

In the mean time, I shall continue to flog a dead horse, repeatedly. Every turn. Again and again. Until I get to 90% or he chooses to tip his King. This is not much fun and isn't challenging.

I really do enjoy these poly tick free 1 on 1 Blitz games. And give Nu huge credit for saving the online strategy game I've played by far the longest. But I wish we could have a winning conditions that didn't force players to continue to play far beyond when a clear winner is apparent.

Your mileage may vary.

-V-

2087 days, 19 hours, 55 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I fully understand you, Valhalla. I personally have not problem to wait at the mement because I have many other games but also you and the whole tournament are waiting to go on. There is an easy solution: If Calbasi sees no chance to ever turn the tide he can simply give up.

2087 days, 18 hours, 6 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Taunt him to do the bird version of the charge of the light brigade :)

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charge_of_the_Light_Brigade )

2087 days, 13 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

LOL Thanks for the support. Since we are holding the tourney up, I figured I'd pose a status report.

Sure Calbasi can tip his King but he has already done that in our first game. Even if he chooses to do that again, that really isn't my point.

My point remains that military score is problematic. When someone has 0 planets there just is no recovery from that, nor is it much fun to continue to play against them and continue to rub their noses in it.

LOL As for the charge of the light birdgade, that is very hard to do in an echo cluster full of webmines. . .

At least there are Ghipsodal women to play with. . .

-V-

2085 days, 9 hours, 35 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

First game of Valhalla and Emork has just started.

planets.nu/#/sector/78149

2085 days, 9 hours, 20 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Lizard King fighting against Lizards?!? What a rebel!

2085 days, 9 hours, 11 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

No, Valhalla is a rebel against his king. What a confusing mess :)

2085 days, 1 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@ Emork The False Lizard King

Let the record show that Valhalla is the true Lizard King and is playing as such, as his first choice race. You, sir, are a Rebel. A Rebel with an impressive nice new big ship! Let the record show that no self respecting Lizard would hide behind such a monstrosity unless it was gained though trades or as spoils of war.

-V-

@ Calbasi

Good games! I've already surrounded your forces for you. Anyway, you learn very quickly, especially warp well fun and games. Anyone that plays the birds has the potential to hide a heck of a lot of military score in advanced cloakers in warp wells and pick off freighters as they like. Calbasi made an art of this.

2085 days, 1 hours, 30 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Happy Thanksgiving to all, especially my fellow Americans. Try to avoid trampling anyone to death the day after being thankful. . .

-V-

2083 days, 3 hours, 38 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Emork the False Lizard King wins vs Valhalla who actually played the Lizards, but not very well, in game 1 of our best of 3 series. Congrats Emork!

2083 days, 3 hours, 34 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

So next game it will be a Liz vs. Liz to decide on who is the true Lizard King ?

2083 days, 3 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

the best might actually be Thin. . .

2082 days, 11 hours, 39 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

My Rebels have chosen to put up the uphill fight against Valhallas Crystals. A hard gambit-like battle ... the outcome is still totally open.

http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/78381

2082 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I have no comment about his Lizards. . . I'm not sure if Emork actually plays them :-P

But his Rebels are damn dangerous and both highly skilled and amazingly lucky.

It is a pleasure to be challenged at this level.

For those of you waiting for the outcome of this battle, know that we are playing multiple turns per day as our schedules allow.

-V-

2081 days, 16 hours, 45 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Lord Helmet vs QQuasaR - Leg2: http://planets.nu/#/sector/78208

2072 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

My Rebels won the second game against Valhalla's Crystals with the help of one Merlin and a bunch of Rushes. Thanks to Valhalla for an exiting game in which he managed to destroy two of my Rushes

Final result is 2:0 for Emork.

Joshua, seems we are next, or? When you are ready create a game and invite me. Or tell me if I should create it. I looking forward to see you in space!

2072 days, 8 hours, 25 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Kudos to Emork for a very well played game 2!

It would have been more considerate of you to have GIVEN me those rushes but alas, you kept them for yourself, full of fuel, and I had to remove them. What a waste. . . :-P

Joshua, your in for a tough fight!

Good luck to you both. And thanks for this series!

-V-

2068 days, 16 hours, 51 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Emork 1, Joshua 0

2068 days, 16 hours, 39 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Sorry guys, the game is gone already. I did not delete it, it was just gone from my list of games after Joshua resigned. I don't think this is the intended behaviour.

2068 days, 16 hours, 12 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I can give you a synopsis though I didn't get to see the turn either. Emork built a Rush on turn 1 as expected. But he must have also moved his medium deep toward me with some more fighter building materials. He advanced the Rush on turn 2 at warp 8 to a planet between us with about 58 fighters and then with the goods from the medium deep was able to make about twenty more giving 78. On turn 3 he advanced again at warp 8 and unfortunately arrived at my key money planet on turn 4 killing my mdsf in the process and effectively eliminating my chances of victory.

I had already laid some mines but he flew through them untouched and while I was able to get 3 missouries up he hit my homeworld on turn 6 and I didn't have the torps yet to defeat the Rush and since he arrived on RGA my colonists were rioting and I had no remaining chance to earn the necessary cash to build them. So I resigned after just 6 turns.

There is no doubt in my mind this is a fearsome Rebel blitz well executed by Emork. I was actually quite prepared for the attack from some simulations I ran before hand, but I thought it would take at least 2 more turns before he would get to me. But he saved a turn with that great mdsf move and unfortunately on this map we were pretty close! The next battle will be very interesting.

2068 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Considering that this is game is not availlable for a review I want to confirm Joshua's excellent analysis.

2068 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

It's called Rush for some reason... nice job!

2068 days, 8 hours, 45 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

These blitz games are good fun but a straight out rush at the enemy is often the winning strategy. Emork is damn good at this!

This format often removes the economic part of the game. I'd really like to see a more serious 1 on 1 game with 50 to 100 planets - a game where both econ and military strategy would apply. A game where strategies other than a straight on rush would have more of a chance to thrive.

2068 days, 6 hours, 46 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I found it shocking that I missed a very important firework, simply because I was asleep.

While looking for similar results on Uservoice, I found an idea that will help alleviate this issue and make it easier to verify results of games that end with only one player still in the game.

http://planets.uservoice.com/forums/136520-general/suggestions/2536464-allow-finished-blitz-games-to-stay-on-the-game-lis

2067 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Emork takes Joshua down in 2 games after a one-sided war of 21 turns. He got me on my heels with the early Rush attack again and I was not able to ever recover. Good game all round.

2066 days, 22 hours, 3 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Not that I am really looking forward to a beating I will get in my round but what is going on between Big Beefer and JKovalainen, did they start playing?

2066 days, 7 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I thought that too Ted. Seeing as I won the first blitz tourney with my Fed Missouri rush. But it's hard to do a Missouri rush when Rebel Rush's are coming at you. I hope you figure something out.

2066 days, 1 hours, 30 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Azzazzello: "what is going on between Big Beefer and JKovalainen...?"

That is a good question. Both of those players approached me privately stating that they needed to be on break until after Christmas. I put their requests together with permission to not play until after Christmas.

2062 days, 7 hours, 24 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Second game of Ted versus Emork is running: http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/80481

2062 days, 4 hours, 57 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Look like this will be over soonish

2061 days, 11 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

You could adjust the HW or you could drop a giant web on turn 1 no? The rebel doesn't have the resources to build both rush and guns right?

2055 days, 10 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Qquasar gave up in our second game. Because it's already deleted, a short summary: Big minefields that couldn't stop 3 pillages on the very remote Robot HW. 4 Amorphous planets (that I know of). 4 Automas (if I counted correctly), one of them died against a Vicky - Merlin - D19 combination (yes, in this battle order). It's so hard to find a way against the Robots as the Fascists - let's see what the last game brings.

2055 days, 9 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Update: Ted versus Emork: 0 : 2

http://planets.nu/#/sector/79669 (Fed vs Rebel - no chance)
http://planets.nu/#/sector/80481 (Colonial vs Rebel - better but no right mineral source from my side)

The 3 match: (Colonial vs Rebel)
http://planets.nu/#/sector/80998 - running at T30, each 50% military. At least i was able to choose a map with a worse duranium ratio to make it more difficult for him :)

2055 days, 5 hours, 21 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Observers recently asked me about the incredible low Duranium rate of this game which is 0.24. Before I had only noticed that you shuffeled until you got a map that is very helpful against my strategy. I accepted it but said I hadn't taken a look at the mineral ratios. Now I know why you denied to to handle it like me and my opponents in the previous rounds - take the first map.

Well, knowing this makes me more satisfied with the current undecided fight. :)

2055 days, 4 hours, 41 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Well, Emork. A good player should be able find all time a way to counter a great stategy. In the current blitz settings there exist on my view only this ways to stop your rebel rush attack. Really low duranium , homeworld distance as far as possible.

But you still took the initiative from the beginning and wasted with your rebel ground attack my main money planet already. All depends now on your and my supplies production. But i fear i need a great luck based victory in the next 10 turns. I would like to offer you a draw for this match here to enter the 4th match :)

2055 days, 3 hours, 10 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Taking the first map is like playing with the cards your dealt. :-)

One thing I dont understand. If Emork already won 2 games, isnt a best of 3 comp already over?

2055 days, 3 hours, 8 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ted and Emork are in the Semi-Finals, so the Best of 5 rule applies instead.

2055 days, 3 hours, 6 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ah!

2053 days, 1 hours, 9 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Gz Emork, old buddy! Though I can't condone your destruction of Colonial hardware!

2052 days, 12 hours, 26 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thx, Joe and Mentar! Joe, I'm awaiting you ... :)

2049 days, 4 hours, 42 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Third game decides: Lord Helmet vs. Qquasar
http://planets.nu/#/sector/81865

2046 days, 15 hours, 25 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi everybody,
is there a site which points to all the matches of the Blitz Tournament?
Because, I would like to view the replays and learn from them.

2046 days, 15 hours, 5 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi Okami,

no, there isn't. It would help anyway because the Blitz games are deleted auotmatically after some time. I don't know the exact period but seems to be 1-2 weeks. You have be quick and review a match within this time after it ended.

2046 days, 14 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi Emork,

thank you for the fast answer.
Hmm, we need some way to save and archive such games outside planets.nu.
Maybe at planetsmag?
I saw there is a tool called NuReplay which includes preprocecced turns from the championship matches Scorpius-,Taurus-,Sagittarius War.
Is there any attempt to do the same for the blitz tournament?

2046 days, 14 hours, 33 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Okami
actually there is a site per round of the tounament.
Click the links (Round 1, Round 2, etc) here:

https://sites.google.com/site/csplanets/legacy/tournaments/breakthru4/bracket

Some games may have been deleted by now.

2046 days, 14 hours, 27 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ah, nice, thanks for the link!
Saw this site before but didn't realize that I could click on the column headers :-).

Unfortunatelly as you wrote, most of the matches are allready deleted.

2046 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ha! I also didn't know that clicking on the column headers brings me to a details page. Very nice. Great job, CSY!

2046 days, 7 hours, 47 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Like Lord Helmet said, most games have already been deleted (as a result of when both players remove their game from their lists), but you can still check the history.

I have refitted my local build of Nu Replayer to add custom game support, so that I can integrate some of these epic blitz games (such as Ted vs. Emork games 2 and 3) into Nu Replayer, and then watch the fireworks from there.

2040 days, 13 hours, 8 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Any news about the upper half?

2040 days, 12 hours, 47 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Still playing in Round 2.

2040 days, 9 hours, 5 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Take your time. I'm more than busy.
I was just interested because I like to peek from time to time how things are going on.

2037 days, 5 hours, 3 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The slackers at the top of the bracket (JK and I), have finally gotten off our rears and started our series:

http://planets.nu/#/sector/82416

2036 days, 17 hours, 35 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Wow, such famous commanders clash as early as round 2. Have fun! For the me as observer it's always exciting to watch the race poker in games 2 and 3.

1998 days, 13 hours, 20 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hmmm ... I would be interested in taking a look into the game of BB and JK but I can't. The game page says FINISHED but there is no VIEW button next to the player slots.

1996 days, 18 hours, 26 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

BB, you can add Space and Thin to our Inc. We're the runner-up alliance!

1996 days, 17 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi

Sorry all, the delay has been completely on me. Game running now.

1996 days, 17 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ps. If BB doesn't let me win this 2nd leg I'll have to consider our Nightmare "alliance"... Anyone else interested in working with crystals?

1996 days, 6 hours, 25 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hmmm... I fear JK may be looking for a way out of our agreement by choosing the lizards over the fascists. No POP, no pillage, no planet immunity? To me that sounds like no need for defense! The carriers will be there soon... Go Q Tanks Go!

Now where's that ion storm?

1995 days, 4 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

2nd game was: http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/87612

and I have thrown in the towel. BB advances to the next round, gg!

1995 days, 4 hours, 43 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Not to forget: Congrats BB!

1995 days, 4 hours, 8 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Now that all the remaining players have advanced to Round 3 (a.k.a. Round of 8) and beyond, it is safe to announce the remaining pairings for Round 3:

Big Beefer vs. Azzazzello
JoeSnoffy vs. QQuasar

1995 days, 4 hours, 0 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

would love to see those matches..

1995 days, 3 hours, 55 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Sry Joe / sry all for that delay. I had some hard week (IRL) - but in march it will be much easier. So Joey, I'm looking forward to get a lesson from you

1995 days, 0 hours, 24 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

JK asked me about other things that might have helped him against the robots. One thought I had about the fascists, I don't mind sharing publicly, since there are no more in the tournament...

The thing I was most afraid of I think, was early glory device strikes to my homeworld. I was thinking something along the lines of using vickies to tow them close (since you have to get through the mines), then releasing them to pop on my HW, Figuring it would have the following effects:

- Hurting the economy of the HW by killing off colonists, and destroying some structures I wouldn't be able to rebuild (since I have less colonists now)
- Causing me to keep a defensive carrier at my base or else be pillaged by the vickie.
- Force me to move any Q Tanks off the base, slowing down fighter production.
- Make me think twice about bringing in my mdsf, or any Q Tanks out gathering resources, again hitting my economy.
- Using pairs of glories would also risk me losing any cats paws or ldsfs at the base as well.

So when we started our second game, that was the move I was afraid of seeing, and why I was glad you took the lizards. Now I haven't actually taken the time to see if it's feasible, but it would have likely slowed down my development, especially if used early. Even just bluffing at it by towing a popper into range would have had an effect as I scrambled to try and keep things safe.

Also, the sabre would have been the choice here, as it has the advantage of being able to take a mine hit and still get to it's target. Sabres towing D19s would have been even better.

Anyways, that was my theory on how the fascists might be able to take the robots. But who knows if it would have worked in practice?

1990 days, 5 hours, 53 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The first game between Qquasar and JoeSnoffy has started:

http://planets.nu/#/sector/90516

1975 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

2nd game between JoeSnoffy and QQuasaR: http://planets.nu/#/sector/93119

1975 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

May the better Bot win!

1974 days, 12 hours, 17 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Emork:
yes, the better one won!

JoeSnoeffy crushed me twice (Congratulation!!) - I'm out of this tournament - but I'll be back in the next one.

I bet a full Golem, that JoeSnoeffy will be in the final.

1974 days, 11 hours, 56 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Quick update on Azzazzello vs Big Beefer

Game 1 went to BB
Game 2 is in progress and is a very close hard fought match
http://planets.nu/#/sector/92772

1974 days, 11 hours, 33 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Congrats Joe!

@Joe and BB/Azzazello: The game of Joe and QQausaR is unaccessible just 30 minutes after I have recieved the info that it ended. I assume this was not intentional. It seems that if a player RESIGNS then the game vanishes. Joshua is aware of this bug because it also occured in our duell.
It would be nice if the semi-final games would be availlable a bit longer. If you don't want to play until 90% military you could start the next game and just wait one, two days before resigning the previous one.

1974 days, 11 hours, 31 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Correction: Now I can access the second game of Joe and QQausaR. Seems it was a temporary server problem before.

1971 days, 3 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Azzazzello takes game 2, to put us at 1-1. We even played it out long past was probably necessary so it would stick around awhile for your viewing pleasure...

We plan to resume in a few days with Episode 3 - "Return of the Beefer"

1970 days, 10 hours, 8 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I was sure that Episode 3 was "Revenge of the Azz"; only one way to find out

1970 days, 10 hours, 7 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Either way, I will name this episode "Tie breaker of the century"

1962 days, 2 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Azzazzello quickly takes game 3! Good luck in the rest of the tournament!

1962 days, 2 hours, 20 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The results are in dispute - hold on before making them official!

1962 days, 2 hours, 5 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Ok - its official. The game got deleted when Big Beefer resigned so I had to find out what happened before accepting the result.

1962 days, 1 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

His lizards, my robots, game id 94056... Sorry, I forgot about the instant delete on resign thing.

1962 days, 1 hours, 47 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

BB played Robots
Azz played Lizards
Game ID: 94056 (was removed upon BB resignation - I did not even see the results)

1962 days, 0 hours, 49 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thanks for the info. Now it is on to the semi-fianls. Good luck, @Azzazzello and @Joesnoffy! May the best player acquire three wins out of a best of five

1961 days, 15 hours, 26 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi Joe and Azza, have fun in your games!

BB/Azza, it would be great if you could tell in one, two sentences what was the reason for this fast Lizard victory.

1961 days, 14 hours, 16 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

A tactical mistake by me caused by complacency followed by Big Beefer trying to take advantage of that mistake and making is own, bigger mistake, caused by over confidence. In the end the game was decided by 3-4 fighters.

How is that for a cryptic two sentence answer!

1961 days, 12 hours, 57 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Enough to know that I better ignore your tactical errors and just follow my opponent-independent scheme :)

Seems you become the anti-Robot blitz expert.

1961 days, 12 hours, 37 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The problem is that lucky breaks only go your way so often and sooner or later you luck does run out.

Even if I best Joe which I seriously doubt - I am a loss of how to deal with your Rush rush.

1961 days, 12 hours, 26 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

With webmines!

1961 days, 2 hours, 39 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Congratulations with you victory Azzazzello.

If you don't mind I would prefer to have a random map for the semi-finals, as I don't have to make a lot of considerations.

The best/only way to create just one random map is to set a date and a time and then create the game as a public game for the other player to join.

I look forward to play against you.

Regards,

JoeSnoffy

1960 days, 8 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Joe, here is a link to the first game in case you missed the PM
http://planets.nu/#/sector/94923

1956 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I like the idea of Joe how to create the random map. I'd be glad if we use this method in the final.

CSY, for further tournaments you could consider defining the process. I had some discussions about this during the tournament. It depends on the races and strategies how important the map design is.
An alternative would be that each player is officially allowed to generate a map that suits him. A coin flip has to decide who may start. This means that the battle begins with map generation. That's not bad in general - it allows for some interesting considerations.

1956 days, 8 hours, 23 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Still, it would be nicer if, as per an older PM, that a third-party is able to create a blitz game (and serve only as host), and invite the players in.

1956 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I fully agree, CSY. Just in case we don't have this option for the next tournament then using a fix creation time is a good workaround. I thought about the problem when I realized that Ted is fine-tuning the map against my strategy (no complaint, I did the same afterwards - is kind of fun) but didn't find this simple solution.

1951 days, 20 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The first game between Azzazzello (Lizard) and JoeSnoffy (Robots) ended with victory to the Robots in turn 22.

Your VGA Planets game 95439: 1 on 1 Blitz has ended. You have won!

I bit annoying that the server deleted the game before I even got a chance to have a look at the final turn and the previous turns, but I guess I won the big battle.

Thank you for a great game Azzazzello.

Regards,

JoeSnoffy

1951 days, 19 hours, 25 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Congrats Joe! You two keep in mind that _resigning_ results in an immidiate deletion of the game.

1950 days, 23 hours, 40 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@JoeSnoffy: Sadly, not if the game has already been deleted. I still have raw data for some of the blitz games, and I can publish such data.

Still, the public would not be able to utilize them yet, as custom game support is in Nu Replayer 0.22, which has not yet been released, as it still needs polishing

1950 days, 23 hours, 32 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Nu Replayer 0.23*. Where is the edit button when you need it?

1950 days, 14 hours, 12 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Cloaked, you need a loki.

1950 days, 13 hours, 58 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Doesn't hlp, it's a Lizard button.

1950 days, 13 hours, 57 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Typo intended :)

1942 days, 7 hours, 37 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Game 2 is over, it's a tie 1-1 so far.

1942 days, 7 hours, 18 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Recorded and downloaded to local storage. Many thanks. For the time being, I am considering freezing until I uncover additional information regarding the mining bug that was recently reported.

1942 days, 7 hours, 14 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

CSY, what is the bug that your heard and where?

I don't think we experienced it in our game as mining was normal but if we going to freeze let us know - I rather not do any turns if the game will not count.

1942 days, 7 hours, 12 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The bug concerns a certain planet (or more) not mining one or more types of minerals (such as a homeworld mining NO duranium).

For now, I am considering it to be a SOFT freeze, but I will change it to a hard freeze if the bug spreads to this tournament

1940 days, 15 hours, 35 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi semi-finalists, could you provide the link to the second game?

1940 days, 15 hours, 30 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi Emork,
With pleasure:
https://sites.google.com/site/csplanets/legacy/tournaments/breakthru4/bracket/round-4
:-)

JoeSnoffy

1940 days, 15 hours, 29 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Found it on CSY's page: http://planets.nu/#/sector/96063

1940 days, 15 hours, 0 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Interesting game! Azzazzello found a good Lizard strategy against the Robots. Quite even odds now I guess ... if the matchup stays the same :)

1928 days, 14 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

The third game between Azzazzello (Lizard) and JoeSnoffy (Robots) ended with victory to the Robots in turn 24, but it was a very intense game that could easily have ended with a different winner.

Thank you for another great game Azzazzello.
I look forward to our next game.

Regards,
JoeSnoffy

1928 days, 14 hours, 47 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@CSY, No sign of any bug on my part.

1928 days, 11 hours, 28 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I did not pick up any abnormalities either, so I have accepted it as the third game in the best of five. I have also preserved its raw data as well

1928 days, 11 hours, 23 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Congrats Joe! And well done Azzazello, that you made it a close one. Have fun in the next, guys!

1928 days, 10 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Grr I hate losing :(

Good job Joe - every time I would see an opening or swap strategies on you in order to tip the balance in my favor you would counter it.

Case and point when I tow locked your Golem with 2 cloakers, if I had a few more turns before you rescued it, the game could have turned out differently.

1928 days, 10 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

You are one skilled opponent and if I fall either of the next 2 games, Emork will have quite a match up

1927 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Fourth game between Azzazello and JoeSnoffy has started:

http://planets.nu/#/sector/98402

Lizards vs. Robots once more.

1927 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

i SOOOOOOO need to join the next one....

1912 days, 1 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Fight for 3rd place finish started today

http://planets.nu/#/sector/99590

1911 days, 19 hours, 10 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi Ted and Azzazello!

Good luck and have fun. Azza, thumbs up that you again challenge a lfm-race with the Lizards. I'm very interested on your conclusion if Robots or Colonies are a harder nut to crack in this environment.

1911 days, 18 hours, 12 minutes ago

purebloodprince

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Do Crystal ever lose blitz games?

1911 days, 12 hours, 58 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thanks Emork, I will definitely let you from my experience but using pure theorycraft I think Robots by far.

The main challenge facing Robots is the amount of things you have to deal with in first 6 turns.

1. You need to find a way to counter giant minefield that covers planets you need to develop (fail to do that and you have economy and the game is lost before it is started)
2. You need to be able to counter 2 Automas with 60 fighters each hitting your outer colonies.
3. Find a way to go on offense as sitting back you will lose as Robots pack bigger punch (this is where I hurt the most against Joe)

The amount of MCs needed in fist few turns is staggering especially if you going to use Madazillas.

Colonies are easier. virgo might be a bit tougher than Automa but you don't need to worry about gigantic minefields and can go on offense as soon as he.

My gut is telling me that Rebels would be easier for Lizards than Robots.

1911 days, 12 hours, 54 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

@Purebloodprince I was actually going to ask the opposite - do Crystals ever win blitz games? Crystals was my back up race which I never used.

I just don't see what tools they have that can be effective in Blitz. Webs require strong economy and their ships are so expensive. Most decent players would build a HD/HP capital ships and tow them into HW - there is very little Crystal can do.

I will admit that I have not played them or faced them in Blitz but I just don't see them having the speed or tools needed to succeed

1911 days, 12 hours, 18 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yep, cannot really see crystals as a strong Blitz race - you'd require extremely good start BUT then again with good start most races are even better :)

1911 days, 10 hours, 39 minutes ago

purebloodprince

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I won 12 in a row :)

Apparently I just did not play good players :)

I have resources for a big web to start with, which usually completely messes up enemy's economy. Unfortunately it affects my economy as well, I have hard time, nevertheless I can build a few more freighters next few turns. Usually that's enough to get some resources from nearby planets while the enemy deals with the web, which, if I play vs Robot, Rebel or Colonies, can be scooped before him. He has much harder time to colonize any nearby planet, and that is usually enough.

1911 days, 4 hours, 53 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Concerning viability of Crystals: They have about a 55% win rate in the public realm, more if there was a way to weed out mirror games.

1911 days, 3 hours, 9 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

What percentage are Robots, Lizards, Fed and Birds?

I am very surprised that Crystals are 55%

1911 days, 2 hours, 41 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

What is so surprising about Crystals? They are my go-to race for Blitz. They have a versatile fleet that can simultaneously handle military and economic demands thanks to cargo capacity, and of course, Webs.

1911 days, 1 hours, 54 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I save all my blitz data in the workbook as shown below:
http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlIkgb1jJPu3dFFvNFRyZW54b0ZOaUU4cE4ydUhva0E#gid=2

There seems to be some other small issues regarding the public data I gathered, but I cannot seem to discern if it is the API file, or if it is my local program.

1906 days, 2 hours, 28 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Nice! Real man don't bring too many torpedos to a laser fight. :)
Congrats Azza!

Joe and I will start soon: http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/100302

1903 days, 16 hours, 45 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

First game of the final is decided: The Rebel Rushs bounced off the hard skin of Joe's Robots.

Joe vs. Emork: 1 - 0

Second game: http://play.planets.nu/#/sector/100489

1903 days, 15 hours, 42 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Not to disparage the excellent blitz tournament but we need to get Joe into a championship. Joe! Go for it!

1903 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

if i counted right, this is your first loss in a blitzgame, Emork?

1903 days, 15 hours, 3 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

At some point it had to happen ;)

1903 days, 9 hours, 58 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thanks for keeping game 1 around for me to record and preserve its data. It is good to know that Emork's Lightning tactics are remotely stoppable.

1903 days, 9 hours, 41 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yeah CSY, I didn't like to lose this game but I also think it's good that stone-paper-scissors is still working. Against the Bots it feels a little bit uphill for my Rebels.

I wanted to resign but knew that the game would vanish if I do. So I declared defeat to Joe and we made fast turns while I unloaded the fighters from my starbase and recycled/disassembled my ships. So Joe scored the military victory quickly. That's a workaround until the resign-bug is fixed.

1903 days, 6 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I apologize in advance to Emork but I have a few comments!

1. Uphill battle?!? This whole tournament felt like an uphill battle playing Lizards against fighter races. I have nightmares of fighter waves coming at me because of it.

2. Sorry, I have to cheer for Joe - he has to win, that way I can use Ville K. logic and say that I got knocked out by a champion :)

In all seriousness good luck :) I do think that the 2 best made it to the finals.

1903 days, 3 hours, 12 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Joe vs. Emork: 1 - 1

Short break now. We continue probably on Sunday. Have a nice weekend!

1903 days, 2 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Nice game guys. Cute little intercepts warp9 on an incoming falcon to break tow.

1903 days, 1 hours, 52 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Great series

1897 days, 8 hours, 31 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Azzazzello vs Ted : 1 - 1

A important planets rule was confirmed again.

Never give up even if things look worse! In my case it looked bad as Colonial with only a 32% core main Tritanium source around the homeworld against a fast lizard.

After a T40 Blitz and looking into Azzazzello match i have to say that a Bovonoid Planet did safe me and that Azz did not found the time to build factorys to feed his late builded merlin. And of course that lizards all time lose in fleet battles! :)

1897 days, 7 hours, 27 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yeah 9mil Bovinoid with Merlin over it - not much I could do.

I was able to keep up until minerals ran out ;(

1896 days, 18 hours, 27 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thin, read my PM. I think you did not unterstand the flow of events and that referee number 2 completly reversed the decision of referee number 1.
For me all kind of decisions are acceptable. I explicitly said that I do not question the authority of the tournament host. All I do is adjusting my reaction.

Sidenote: Talking about exploits and "what makes sense or is quirky" is futile. Many lengthy discussions have shown that this is totally subjective. My conclusion is that if I make my turn with the client only and I do not use any new and unknown bugs (that would be fixed immidialy if made public) then it is a valid turn. The tow-drop-chunnel is a good example. I was happy when it was removed and even argued to remove it but as long as it was part of the game I never accused a player who used it that he does WRONG. Ridiculous idea!

1896 days, 18 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Emork, no need to act like a prima donna. Just play and rule :)

1896 days, 16 hours, 58 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thx Ted! I was already wondering about the absence of such kind of comments.
But it is a sensible matter and I would be glad if situation calms down. So please refrain from provoking. Well, maybe this wasn't your intention and you just didn't find the right words. From my in-game experience with you I assume you would go nuts if this had happened to you.

1896 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Of course i would be upset, however i would still stay in in tournament to start some sort of terror against my opponent INSIDE the game :)

1896 days, 16 hours, 40 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

http://tinyurl.com/q3cg4mv

1896 days, 16 hours, 34 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I think Emork did the right thing. I don't really get what's going on here, because the referee comparison is incorrect here. To stay in Thin's methaphor the referee (/check for winner module) decided the game was won by Emork (yes, with a Wembley goal). But FIFA/CSY decided to nullify the game. I was not aware that the games within this tournament had different rules than outside. Thus leaving the tournament is the right choice for Emork.

1896 days, 15 hours, 44 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

It's just unfortunate to see a tournament that was nearly 6 months in the making, and about 8 months of actual competition end like this.

Good job to everyone!

1896 days, 15 hours, 39 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

I’m slightly annoyed by having to participate in this discussion in the activity feed, as I explicitly mentioned to Emork in a PM that it would not be in the interest of the blitz tournament or the NU website.

As there is no definitive correct answer is discussion may continue for a long time and I don’t wish to be part of such a long-lasting discussion.

IMHO, CSY made a brave and correct decision that will prove to be the best for the blitz tournament and the NU website in time, unless you wish for both be controlled by a handful of meta-gamers and their followers.

The final is over for me and I congratulate Emork with a well deserved second place. Perhaps he will get a chance for a rematch if CSY decide to host another tournament in the future.

I wish to say thank you to CSY for hosting and to all my opponents for some very exciting games.

Good gaming,

JoeSnoffy

1896 days, 14 hours, 38 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Amen. Now that Joe has declared himself king we can close this chapter.

Many thanks to CSY for organizing this tournament. It was a great experience. Be assured that I respect your decision and have no hard feelings. I hope you can accept my reaction in the same way.
Also many thanks to all my opponents until the final. Exciting and intense games!

I want to mention that my good success in this tournament was mostly founded on preperation. It was my first blitz experience and in my inital test game I was surprised how small the map is. So I had the idea that an extreme blitz attack (means without economy) could work. I tried out different races and calculated which race can build the most firepower in turn one, two and three. The Rebels won because of the just-6-engines-Rush's large cargo hold for building fighters quickly and the specific mineral costs of the Rush which allowed to build a second Rush in turn 3. Additionally the Rebels can ignore the strong defense of the homebase and at the same time attack it with RGA. The Falcons are great to meet the attacking Rushs mid-way to bring more fighter minerals or supplies (against mine hits). I found that in some matchups you still don't win by firepower but by RGA. Therefore it's crucial to deal the RGA two times on the homeworld. You can achieve this in different ways but depending on the situation the long intercept is the best/only way. I had it on my mind since the beginning but if I remember right I never had to use it before the final. My second race choice - Lizards - was primarily against Pirates.
I was a bit worried when - after my race choice was locked in - Joshua reduced the average minerals. That could have spoiled my considerations. If the second Rush doesn't come quick then Rebels are not the best choice. I was relieved to see that the homeworld starting minerals were not changed. All in all my plan worked as expected. In many games the blitz attack was succesfull and if not I could switch to economy mode. I had ignored economy in my first turns but my attack forced my opponent to do the same. If he didn't then his defense was too weak and I RGAed his homeworld or totally ruined his nearby planets. So if he sucessfully defended against my blitz attack we both started in economy mode on the same level.
Don't think Rebels are an auto-win. The close matches against Ted's Colonies show this and against Robots it's even worse. They have two Automas and a full base ready when your pair of Rushs arrive. In this matchup you have to play the RGA-card.

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P.S. for Joe: Not all that don't share your opinion are meta-gamers (whatever this means for someone who calls for a meta-game authority when he loses) and their followers. Could be that they are just commited players with their own opinion.

1896 days, 14 hours, 26 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

*sigh*

It's a bit problematic for me to comment here, since I consider myself a good friend of Emork, but after sleeping over it for a day, I feel reasonably sure that my answer would be the same if it had been anybody else.

Having the GM judge any kind of move as "illegal" (!) that NU allows already feels like a bit of a stretch. There is no logical reason why it should be illegal (first move, then intercept), and NU already has several other known and widely accepted differences to Timhost. Therefore, annulling the game feels a bit harsh to me, but it's within the authority of the GM.

Personally, I'd have preferred if Emork had continued and replayed the game instead of bowing out in protest. Likewise, I'd have preferred if Joesnoffy had shown a more gracious reaction to it - protesting a highly debatable GM call is the least thing Emork is entitled to, and combining that with an uncomprising insistence to have won essentially boils down to "Shut up, I've won, and don't you dare to publicly complain".

However, I know that playing competitively does get one's blood raging very quickly. I know firsthand from the Nightmare Invitational that even with the best intentions, GMs can quickly end up in situations where there is no solution which satisfies all players. In the future, when I am GM, I'll try to be as minimally invasive as possible. Let's keep "bugfixing" to Joshua, any other interference very quickly reeks of arbitrariness.

1896 days, 14 hours, 18 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

In summary to win a blitz you need to blitz.

Congratulations to the winner and thank you to hard work of the organisers.

1896 days, 14 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Oh my! I feel terrible that I pointed out that tactic which in some convoluted way ended this great series! And even worse that I have accidentally driven a wedge between Joe and Emork, both great players and good allies from games past!
That was absolutely not my intent!

My opinion on this one is clear: Fight with the game rules as it plays. That's a GREAT tactic, employed in GRAND fashion.
I don't even see it as a deficiency in the rules to be honest. I sure as hell want to intercept Spacequad's little creation.

I know the stress levels in these intellectual championships is sky high, I still twitch occasionally from Taurus war, but really you 2 should fight it out, one last time. If not for the record, then off the record.

One last round! One final round! Don't end it like this!

1896 days, 14 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yes! Fight it out!

1896 days, 14 hours, 0 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

DM, don't worry at all. I had explained this tactic to Joe in-game already before you made your comment.

1896 days, 13 hours, 59 minutes ago

ville kauppinen

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Such violence. Can't we just talk about it :(

1896 days, 13 hours, 53 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hehe Ville, would be nice, but I think we have to sleep some nights about it. Before Christmas all is forgiven and forgotten.

1896 days, 13 hours, 27 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Not commenting on the specific "tactic", tournament, referee actions or individual people.

I have just one comment, despite all the nice words, none of the top players don't like losing no matter what is said.

I am not sure I consider myself a top player yet, but I still hate losing and when things do not go my way. I may get irritated, frustrated, crabby, start to complain, blame the host, want to throw in a towel and walk away and generally do things that normally I would not.

In those times, when (if) I catch myself doing that, I need to remind myself that this is a game, with a great community, take a week to cool or accept the situation and then re-evaluate the situation.

This post was not pointed at anybody in specific except me.

1896 days, 13 hours, 24 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hug it out!
Hug it out!
Hug it out!

then

Fight!
Fight!
Fight!

1896 days, 7 hours, 6 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Well, I think it is time that I make a statement here after the flurry of activity and drama to end this tournament.

First off I would like to thank ChallengeSpaceYard for taking on the most difficult task of running this tournament which has raised the bar for Blitz play yet again and has grown to be one of the premier events on Planets Nu. His role is by far the hardest and he made a difficult decision. A tremendous amount was learned during this process. Thank you CSY for doing a great job!

As to the conclusion. I played a part in this messy conclusion. CSY asked for my advice regarding this event. I left this decision up to him with the following comment:

"As tourney director I leave the decision up to you on what you do with the game in regards to the tournament. I have deemed the ability to intercept beyond 200ly a deviation from the original and have decided to correct it to the original game to avoid exploits like this."

We all know the "rules" of a Planets game are poorly documented and even disagree with each other from one source to another. This is certainly an area we can improve on. This makes CSY's job even more difficult. For the future we will need to be more clear when hosting events like this on what is permitted or not.

In the end CSY decided to side with Donovans and nullify the game. In protest, Emork has decided to leave the tournament. Therefore, Joesnoffy is our winner! What a dramatic ending!

This is certainly not the way we all expected or hoped to see this grand tournament conclude. However, ours is not the first event to conclude in dubious fashion.

Without a doubt Joesnoffy and Emork the Lizard King were by far the two best contestants in this tournament. Joesnoffy was the first player to win a single game against Emork in the entire tournament. Who is truly the best will have to remain a mystery for now.

Congratulations to Joesnoffy! An official post and award ceremony will follow the completion of the consolation final between Azzazzello and Ted. With Emork leaving the tournament Azz and Ted are now playing for the 2nd and 3rd place prizes.

Once again. Thank you very much to CSY for doing an amazing job organizing and running the tournament. We are all looking forward to the next one.

PS. Regarding this specific bug fix of intercepting beyond 200ly. I am going to take a little more time to think about how or if we want to actually change it. After more time I remember reviewing WinPlan/Dosplan and realizing that it was not possible to intercept beyond 200ly because the UI did not allow it on smaller screens. This didn't seem like a reasonable reason to leave it out. So for now at least it is still in. Beware, and be aware that Emork could have done the same thing with any ship that is 82-84ly away and flying into the planets warp well (something I have done myself). It's a great move.

1896 days, 6 hours, 20 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Greetings all,

After reflecting my decisions, I agree that Blitz Tournament 0029 has been extremely stressful. At the same time, I believe I may have NEEDED that rude awakening.

There were several escalating issues that contributed to the stress, and I believe most could have been avoided had I taken my time resolving them. Most notably, I should NEVER have expedited the resolution as soon as I informed both finalists that I had frozen the Finals. In short, I got greedy for time, and paid for it.

As per the statements made by my father in the game thread, I was wrong to nullify game two which was won by Emork. Despite Joshua's remarks, I still offer the Finalists two options. One, accept a 1-1 tie for a shared victory. Two, resume play at the 1-1 position. If they accept a 1-1 tie for the shared victory, then the Ladder Point awards will be as follows: Emork and Joe will each receive 20 LP.

I have also decided that this will be the last tournament for the season of 0008-004X (since I have no word the consolation ended yet), thus allowing Emork and Joe the option to share being king of the season, or to go the extra mile and finish off the Best of 7.

On a related note, Joshua's remarks also serves as a reminder that I should not give up simply because I made a screw up. Clearly, I still need to work on this weakness.

1896 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Great, I completely support any decisions made by CSY regarding the tourney.

1896 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Hi CSY,

Although I don't blitz (more like I drunkenly stumble about and pray my knees won't give out), I think you ran a fabulous tournament. I believe you have the appreciation and respect of ALL NU PLAYERS. You are wiser with regards to art of communication (most docs that get sued do so not because of a patient mishap, far more commonly it poor communication)

Even after reading Joshua's post, I am not sure there is a right answer. If he said it is definitely a bug to be corrected I would make the personal choice to avoid the w0 intercept or long intercept to break tow maneuvers. If it is more a technological limitation of winplan that has been is working as intended, I would gladly use it.

In my humble opinion, you seem to have made a Solomon like choice.

Cheers and hats off to you,

MEGA

PS Joshua, great JOB with the site and latest updates.

1896 days, 5 hours, 52 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

1896 days, 5 hours, 50 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

1896 days, 5 hours, 34 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Congratulations to all participants, and to Challengespaceyard for hosting this tournament, which clearly took a lot of time and hard work to run. I was too green when the tourney started, so I didn't join, but am looking forward to another blitz tournament, with hopes of joining.

For a tournament involving as much time and as many players as this one, it is impossible to assess all rule questions a priori. When they arise, it seems logical on the surface to ask the person who is hosting for their final judgment. However, it's actually quite unreasonable to ask the host, who is already sacrificing their time and energy, for little or nothing in return outside of the love of the game, to now deal with more headache and make a decision that will be controversial and invariably disagreed with by a significant portion of the community (whatever the result of the decision may be). The demands of tournament logistics weigh with the host against the ability to deliberate and discuss, and all the while emotions run high. Such a process often leads to quick decisions, but not necessarily a decision most thoroughly examined, and--in the eyes of some--an undeserved tarnishment of the reputation of a host who has already gone above and beyond for others to enjoy a game. Overall, an ineffective decision process with unfair ramifications for the host.

Tournaments that hold the scope of time and importance (tangible prize) of this one should have a judge committee. Three community members, announced and chosen before the start of the tournament. Preferably of high standing (Former emperors? > certain rank?). Preferably not players in the tournament, but with alternate judges available if they are. Preferably not programmers that build and/or maintain the site, such as Joshua; judges for a tourney should not have to worry how their decisions will lead to community expectations to change the structure of the game at large. Tourney rule questions and arguments for game nullifcation or forfeiture should then be put to the committee for (public?) argument and vote, and not to the hardworking host.

My suggestion of use of a committee for future tourneys in no way implies any personal judgment with regard to Challengespaceyard's particlar rules decision, or the related actions/reactions of any tourney participants.

1896 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

This was really an eventful day where things took more than one unexpected turn. Thank you, CSY, that you did not take the easiest way but questioned your own decision. That's a great quality.
I'm ok to share the victory and I'm ready to play on. I know the public wants to see that we play 3-5 more games and under normal circumstances I'd also do. In this special case I'd prefer the tie but if I'm challenged I'll charge my beams and enter the battlefield. Joe?

1896 days, 4 hours, 53 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Reading my last comment again it sounds really lame. Com'on Joe, let's fight for the title! I'm awaiting your answer.

1896 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

That's the spirit! Every champion walks in with fear and the desire to end it quickly and split, even in chess these sort of dramas happen all the time (Bobby fischer saga). Truth is, not knowing if you win or lose is WORSE than walking away and will gnaw at you for years.

1895 days, 20 hours, 2 minutes ago

rashnak

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Rumble in the planets jungle.
I want to see a knock out and not a lame draw.

1833 days, 8 hours, 5 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Greetings all Nuniverse players,

I realized that I have not been overseeing progress on this tournament. These past few months have been extremely stressful. It is like by the time I want to post something here, my energy is depleted.

Anyhow, I would like to know what the status is of the consolation pair between Ted and Azzazzello. Last time I checked, the series is currently tied at 1-1. I would at least like to see this pairing finished with a player winning.

As for the finals, I am keeping them frozen for the time being. It's fate will be revealed when the consolation pairing is done.

-Paul (CSY)

1816 days, 9 hours, 15 minutes ago

challengespaceyard

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Greetings again,

I have just acquired some information, allowing me to reveal the fate of Blitz Tournament 0029. Considering the extreme stress I have endured, I am not surprised that some of the remaining players have lost interest as well.

If there ever was such a thing as TWO tied pairings, one for first, and one for third, this tournament is it! As troublesome as this may sound, at least I can prepare to wrap up this tournament and call it finished.

Stress and pitfalls aside, this has been an exceptionally fun tournament to oversee as there have been many surprises and much magnificent play.

-Paul (CSY)

1816 days, 1 hours, 5 minutes ago

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Thanks again for organizing the tournament GSY. Regardless of how it ended, it was a lot of fun. Looking forward to the next one!

1815 days, 8 hours, 11 minutes ago

emork the lizard king

RE: Blitz Tournament 0029

Yeah, big thanks, CSY! It was an incredible exiting tournament - some turns echoed in my dreams. I'm looking forward to the next tournament and I'm curious if some settings will change.