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114 days, 3 hours, 40 minutes ago

How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I can't stand this new version.

114 days, 3 hours, 34 minutes ago

treat

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

play.planets.nu

114 days, 3 hours, 30 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Why do you think the new version is so bad?

114 days, 3 hours, 5 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Personally it grew on me, but took a long time to do so.

113 days, 14 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I simply don't like the new interface. I've been playing VGAP since the early 90s. Call me old school. :)

113 days, 6 hours, 52 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

>> Why do you think the new version is so bad?

besides the different look and the extended click paths to achive simple tasks, the new UI doesn't show all the needed data to coordinate with other players.

I tried several times to do my turn with the new UI and I completed only two turns in my single player level with this new UI.

I appreciate the idea of the new UI - but the current mode is not usable for serious turn making.

113 days, 6 hours, 18 minutes ago

commander koski

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I've been content with the new interface. There isn't anything I'm missing. So there must be something that is very different in the way you and me do turns, @frostriese ?

After all, I think the best reason for the new interface to work well and improve is that Joshua must be using it? He is so competitive person that I'm sure he won't accept anything else than some pretty damn good stuff. :D Maybe he isn't missing similar things than other players?

113 days, 6 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

In the last years, I got used to mouseclicks to change views and locations, to shortcut keys and to McNimble (C) addons.

If someone wants to make players like me to start using the new interface, a page like "old - new" clicks and shortcuts and addons usage would help.

As long as I have to find out on my own, I prefer to use the old interface. Everything is fine for me with the "old" interface.

113 days, 4 hours, 55 minutes ago

cnd

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

My two cents - the new interface is fantastic. This is especially true on my iphone (sorry, the old interface did not work at all on my iphone). Did take a little while for this old dog to covert. The first dozen or so turns I was switching back and forth.

Dev team - very good job!

Cheers David

PS: In RL I manage a R&D team. Changing GUIs is difficult. In my opinion, the changes here were unbelievably well done.

113 days, 4 hours, 33 minutes ago

quetzal

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I agree with you cnd.

With the new gui it is quite easy to do turns on mobile (in the train for example). This is very big help. Got used to to it quite quickly.

Do still use mcnimbles mod on desktop. Glad that also works on there.

113 days, 3 hours, 0 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

As a desktop user, I still see no single advantage in using the new interface. Why are we always talking about the fact that it's nearly as good as the old one? If you want me to change to it, it needs to better... not equal or slightly worse.

113 days, 2 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I angry only because old interface named 'old' and will not updated.

113 days, 2 hours, 40 minutes ago

lasnex

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

What data does the old interface show that the new interface does not? All I've heard is that people like the old version because they are more familiar with it or it takes fewer clicks to do something. I've only been playing on this site for a few months and have only used the new interface. Am I actually seeing less data in the new interface compared to someone using the old interface?

113 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes ago

zixi

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

My two pence: I bit the bullet and switched to the new UI - no regrets. Previously, I switched to planets.nu from the VGAP UI, also no regrets. Previously, I switched to the VGAP UI from the one where you typed in your .TRN in hex and sent it by carrier pigeon to the host, no regrets even though you could do absolutely anything you wanted.

It's in the nature of the tech world that changes involve change. There's no way these guys can develop a new UI and still maintain the old one, and changes were definitely necessary to keep up with the rather fast-moving tech world. Fine, hang on to your old versions, but you'll necessarily lose out when the new versions evolve.

I salute the R&D of Planets. They made some pretty bold decisions to keep this game alive, and they get my support for doing so every day of the week*.

*: Except Mondays - I take my washing down to the river on Mondays.

113 days, 1 hours, 42 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

What information is missing from the new UI?

113 days, 0 hours, 45 minutes ago

escogido

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Lasnex,

>All I've heard is that people like the old version because ... it takes fewer clicks to do something

you are severely underestimating how important that is.. I don't think anyone here doubts that the new version is feature complete, but from my PoV it's a UX nightmare.

113 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

The stupidly difficult one for me is figuring out the total mass of an own ship.

This is an use case I do often when estimating the maximum an enemy ship can move with the fuel it has. Load a ship to similar weight and see how far it gets with max fuel the enemy can have aboard.

Except so far I haven't found out a good way to check the total mass of my ship. I can see the empty hull weight, then I need to add fuel weight and cargo weight and find a spreadsheet for listing the weight of weapons.

If I'm missing something obvious please tell me, but it's pretty insane that I need to load the game with the old interface to get this info easily.

113 days, 0 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

So - here my view on my ship

https://imgur.com/a/imC8v6g

in the new interface I found no source for this data

current position
position next turn
current mass of the ship

I cannot change ship settings without using the mouse - in the old interface I can use shortcuts and use keyboard only for most of my ships.

I am missing the ability to set the same waypoint for all my ships at the current position and to set the same speed.

I am missing the Quickkeys from BigBeefer showing the ship missions and most used Friendly Codes.

In the past 30 years I doing my job with computers - I change 15 times my programming language and more than six times my UI for planets. Don#T consider me as better the old known one as a new grandpa.

I play 5-8 games in parallel and make 10-12 turns per week with modifing 800-1000 ships per week. For me it is a pain to work around to get the data thats given by the host but not shown in the UI.

If you try to coordinate a strike with several ships with several players, you need easy way to determine where are my ships next turn.

Next topic -- whats that ship from the enemy

https://imgur.com/a/oE2kw5H

You can't get an idea, if that ship is fully loaded or partial.

113 days, 0 hours, 5 minutes ago

sirad

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

'You can't get an idea, if that ship is fully loaded or partial.'

Fun thing. Eye candy beats usefulness. Modern times aint ?

112 days, 23 hours, 39 minutes ago

cwking

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I use my Smartphone to make the changes in the new CR Sytem, And be happy that it works to play with PC Oldschool.

112 days, 23 hours, 35 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I don't use addons, so for me there's not much information missing. Certainly nothing that can't be added in an update. I also don't remember the "old" interface having all the keyboard shortcuts anyway, not like the DOS version. I don't know; I'm not expert. But I find transfers and moving through my turns are faster on the new interface.

112 days, 23 hours, 33 minutes ago

qinic

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

For me it's the detailed info missing and that I can't use the old Beefer Native tax add-on which I prefer to the planet management add-on as it's far simpler to use.

112 days, 23 hours, 17 minutes ago

sirad

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Yep. thats the main aspect of me not using the new interface. I would even use an interface that looks like the old VPA brickin graphics if it has all needed infos available.

If the old interface will disappear i most likely will stop playing (unless the new interface got some serious upgrade in playability until then)

I dont need new fancy looking chess stones to play my game i need the fog removed from the Board so i can see everything whats important for my game. And scripts are no option for me.

112 days, 22 hours, 49 minutes ago

sbor

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I am happy that it is now possible to look into the turn on my phone thanks to the new UI. But on a desktop I hate it.

The new UI looks nicer and I understand that a novice user that did not yet dig into the details of the game favors the nicer looking UI. But I am really really happy that the old one is still functional. And I am also really happy that it still is maintained a tiny little bit. Example: the new change to do money transfer was added to the old UI after it was declared "no dev". Thanks for that!!!

I hope that the new interface will get a few more usability upgrades and script support and gets more playable before the old one gets shut down forever, which I expect will happen one day.

112 days, 22 hours, 47 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

VPA was indeed a very very good client, I do not know close how much effort was put into that. But that's long back and is flexible enough to cope with new developments on VGA Planets Nu.
However, nobody stops you from changing the UI in whatever way you like. This here is a good start: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmO9MjMFOlw

112 days, 22 hours, 45 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

When I compare the two interfaces, the only thing I see missing is the Total Mass of the ship.

112 days, 19 hours, 23 minutes ago

griffin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Has someone made Planetary Management work in the new interface?

112 days, 19 hours, 17 minutes ago

sector001

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

That's a great question I have not got it to go either.

112 days, 18 hours, 10 minutes ago

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Im in Line with Sirad and others here.

If the old client stop working, im probably not playing anymore.

Planets is a thinking mans/womans game.
Its a game of complexity, where you lean back, think about the game based on as much data as possible, and make your decisions.

Sure, its fine that you are able to do your turns on your mobile, in case you are travelling, but to me, is just not a game, where any serious player can play using a small cellphone on a regular basis.
Planets is not a game you play to make time pass quicker while commuting,
then you might as well just play angry birds..

I understand that the developers believe that it is important the game is mobile friendly, as it will be easier to attract new players.
But i dont understand why they forget their old players.
Is it not possible to make the client detect the screen resolution/screen size of the user,
and allow full data to be revealed for bigger screens ?

Making turns take longer time by having to make more clicks to perform the same actions is a fine way to make sure that many old players wont use the new client....

112 days, 17 hours, 42 minutes ago

azcheron

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I only started playing in 2017, and had a large break until recently so I might not remember, but aren't there addons for the game? Isn't it possible that someone has made one which alters the UI so its old style, or at least more informatic than the current one?

112 days, 15 hours, 56 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I think you're all being overly dramatic :)

112 days, 15 hours, 46 minutes ago

azcheron

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Talespin, I remember you! Back in 2017, you used to be always arguing with this other guy about everything.

112 days, 15 hours, 45 minutes ago

azcheron

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Its nice to see peace at last :)

112 days, 14 hours, 46 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Old interface will still be here as long as there are "old" players here. Keep having fun and don't worry! :)

112 days, 13 hours, 45 minutes ago

cylon_x

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I'm also having trouble with the new interface, somehow I just can't quite warm up to it and I sorely miss my Planetary Management Plugin. Nevertheless, I was bored on the train yesterday and happy that I could still do at least part of my turn by using the new interface on my mobile phone.

I fully support the development of the new interface, even though I hardly use it. The fact that there are players who are perfectly happy with it certainly warrants its development.

So if us "old" players can still have fun on the old interface and the "new" or "new old" players can have fun on the new interface, then where is the problem? Ok, I have to switch to the new interface to buy my campaign features now - not really a big deal.

Thanks @Joshua and @Big Beefer for keeping the old and making the new!

112 days, 11 hours, 0 minutes ago

mursu

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I made this picture previously when the same topic was discussed. From this image you can clearly see what information is missing from the new interface (circled in red) in ship screen.
https://imgur.com/2YiOVAX

Some of this is available if you click many times, but some is not at all. In any case I want the relevant information to be available as easily and as quick as possible and not waste time with useless clicks.

I just don't understand why this information is not added to the new client. It shouldn't be that hard.

112 days, 10 hours, 36 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Probably because it has to work on phones.

Smaller screens means less information available at once.

So more information needs to be accessed by more presses.

We really need three UI's.

Old format.

New format light for phones.

New format heavy that incorporates all the information from the old format that people use on PC's.

Eventually the old players will move over to the New format heavy.

Three UI's means less time progressing

112 days, 10 hours, 18 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Mursu All that information is still there (except total mass). You just have to make a click to see it.

Didn't they announce that they are abandoning the Mobile version?

112 days, 9 hours, 20 minutes ago

mursu

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Well for example the amount of mines swept is not there.

And the whole point is to have the information easily available. I want to see with a quick glance how much room I still have in my cargo hold/fuel tank. I want to copy+paste my next turn location to an ally so we can meet deep space. I want to see if I have the next turn location correct. And so on.

Why should I use the new version because it is not an improvement, but actually several steps backwards (like cargo transfer)? This thing with missing information is just stupid.

If all of this just won't fit some 2" smartphone someone MUST use to play the game (I just wonder who the hell moves 100+ warships and planets with a phone), how about coding the client so that the "useless" information is visible only when your screen size exceeds a certain threshold. Shouldn't be impossible.

112 days, 8 hours, 55 minutes ago

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@Talespin the new UI is the new mobile version.

The new UI is supposed to future proof the site when the younger generation of Planets players who don't use PC's become the majority.

Maybe the site needs to do a survey of the preferences of device use and possibly average age.

As I expect the vast majority is 40+ and uses a PC and would only consider using a phone for forum posts and emergency changes and cannot get to a PC.

112 days, 8 hours, 50 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

When you click on your missions and you look at the Minesweep mission, it tells you how many mines and web mines you can sweep with your current beams. That information isn't directly on the ship's main window/sheet, but it's there. It's not like you need that information all the time, only when you're considering the Mission to Minesweep. In that sense, many features like that are cleared up in the ship/planet/base sheets.

We need "Total Mass", yes.

We need to be able to copy/paste information, yes.

Waypoint is shown on the starmap.

Cargo Transfer is streamlined in the new version (aka you barely have to move your mouse at all), and it even allows you to quickly exchange supplies for MCs and create fighters and torpedoes. How is that not an improvement, because you don't have 56 buttons ready to push?

I don't know about cell phones. I don't even own a cell phone. I use a desktop and a laptop, and I've found the new version much quicker. It did take me a while to figure out how to use, but once I did it was much easier. In fact, I love that I can play my entire turn from the starmap; I rarely use my dashboard anymore.

@Martinr "The new UI is supposed to future proof the site when the younger generation of Planets players who don't use PC's become the majority."

This is the way computers and interfaces are headed across the board - at least from my non-tech perspective. I think Windows 10 tells us that.

112 days, 8 hours, 46 minutes ago

sbor

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I am wondering if tool tips are the solution to a lot of problems.
1) Places where icon replace written names the tool tip could show the grafically challanged like me that this D shaped icon actuall means Duranium, also a "click for transfer" would have helped here
2) A tool tip over the "mine sweep" mission could show the details about how many mines are swept
No idea where to hide the total mass, though. But I am missing this info, too.

112 days, 7 hours, 20 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Talespin you say you do not need the dashboard any more but okay your turns from the starmap. That's the problem in a nut shell. I go to planets.nu an land on the star map, Then I start cussing because I can not figure out how to get to the dashboard. I do my turns through the dashboard and the new version appears not to have the old dash board. Without the dashboard I am lost.

112 days, 7 hours, 12 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Donaldworrell There's a little arrow ( Λ ) at the top right of the starmap, which allows you to switch between the starmap and the dashboard.

112 days, 6 hours, 55 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

That little arrow use to be map tools,dash board. I can not find the map tools. But any way the main point is I would go from the dashboard screen through picking my first planet and then work through all my planets . then I do my star bases, then move ships. Through the dashboard. Please explain how you can do a turn without the dashboard ? Question how do you know what is your first planet on the list in the dashboard if you do not use the dashboard !

112 days, 6 hours, 30 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

If you get the new site put play. infront of planets Nu and you get the old site.

Play.planets.nu

112 days, 6 hours, 4 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Donaldworrell Currently, there is also a circle with three dots (under the arrow), which opens a bunch of tools -> many more tools than we've ever had before - reminds me of Echoview a bit.

I used to tab through every planet/ship/starbase, but now I do my turns in regions on the starmap. The starmap opens and I drag the map around to see the big picture of what's happening in the sector (especially awesome if you have hyperdrive ships and can see the whole map). Then I focus in on an area and select a planet/ship/starbase to work on. I can easily then click on the items that are nearby, thus giving orders from a regional perspective. I can also easily zoom in and out on the map (mouse wheel) to see the big picture if I need to.

Not sure if that gives a clear picture or not.

112 days, 5 hours, 58 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Maybe it would help to make a video highlighting the changes in the new interface and also showing how to navigate through the interface and how turns can be done differently.

112 days, 5 hours, 51 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

That's exactly the problem. You have to select a planet. I want to tab through my planets . I can not figure out how to start at the first planet and just move from planet to planet. Am I meant swing an arrow that you click to move to the next planet on the list or us that old way just trashed in the new version.

112 days, 5 hours, 44 minutes ago

azcheron

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

above the 'end turn' button on the bottom right there are a list of 3 things, 'Ships need orders','Planets need orders','Starbases need orders', clicking on these will bring you to the 'first' of its kind in a queue, you can order up and the window has a button to go to the next ship, planet, starbase in the queue.

112 days, 5 hours, 41 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Oh man I just went to a game I created for testing. Tried to to a turn in the new interface. I just have no ideal what is going on. I saw where a planet needed orders. Went to the planet and got stuck. Could not figure out how to build structures. Could see no way to move to another planet without going back to the star map and manually at random selecting a planet.

112 days, 5 hours, 39 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Donaldworrell You have options.

1. Click the arrow and go back to the Dashboard.

Or

2. Click on the the "planets" (or starbases or ships) tab at the bottom right of the starmap. (This only shows up when you have idle planets - 1 check mark.) Once you're in the window that shows a ship/planet/starbase, at the top right of that window there is a small icon that looks like a reddish brown clock. It'll say "14 of 35" or "1 or 67" or "0 of 0" (however many items are idle). If you click on that, it can toggle off the "idle-only" items. You can then scroll through ALL your items as you would have in the past.

112 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes ago

mcnimble

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Small screens are just so... small... I'm running an experimental version of one of my plugins that takes away all pictures from the pane on the top left (or bottom, portrait mode), which gains me relative much screen space.

I rarely miss the pictures. But when I need that list of enemy ships, I really miss them. So I am thinking of a way to alleviate that problem.

Also, there are other reasons why I want "a list of ships (objects, even) at a particular location", which the pictures do not solve (FC+PE+mission and battle order in one glance, anyone?). It is nice to read what people yearn for (hull mass, ship mass), I can take that into account.

Another number that I like to know: damage from a single mine hit. I can multiply in my head by Glory dev... minehits. I can multiply in my head by 5 for #supplies for repair. But dividing in my head by mass, that is too much.

Note: my plugins are supposed to support both mobile and desktop versions. If this is not the case, it is a bug and you should tell me.

112 days, 5 hours, 36 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Donaldworrell When I first started with the new interface, I had no idea what was going on as well. But I eventually figured out how things work. You can sort of apply this logic: If I want to do something, click on it. If you want to build factories, click on the factories.

112 days, 5 hours, 31 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

So I have to make a change to be able to see all my planets. That's nuts.

112 days, 5 hours, 24 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

If by 'change', you mean toggling between idle and non-idle, that is wrong. You are the one who sets if an item is idle or non-idle, because you are the one who sets 1 check mark or 2. Once you set it to 2 check marks, that item will not show up in the regular list unless you toggle to the non-idle list. If you want your full list, then don't put 2 check marks.

112 days, 5 hours, 19 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Would people want me to try to make a video series showing how the new interface works? Would that help anyone? Not to prove anything, but just to help give it a fair chance.

112 days, 5 hours, 18 minutes ago

mcnimble

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I have only been able to see all my planets by zooming out the starmap. The list on the dashboard is too small (or maybe my screen is). What workflow is enabled by seeing them all?

Oh! What would you add to the screen if you had a huge screen?

What would you add if you could use dual screens? Say, one screen with the map on it, the other with "details", what would the latter look like? Or 3 screens, one with dashboard, one with starmap, one with "details".

112 days, 5 hours, 8 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I did nothing but creat a game and open a turn. I know nothing of check marks. All I want is to be able to see my planets. So you are telling me that all planets are hidden unless I do something to see them. What the heck do I have to do to see my planets like the old dashboard list.

112 days, 5 hours, 1 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Donaldworrell You want to see the dots or see a list of the planets? The list is on the dashboard exactly the same as it was before...

112 days, 4 hours, 58 minutes ago

mcnimble

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Talespin videos are quick to make, but suck when you are searching for something specific. A consideration, nothing more.

Another consideration: for whom are you making the video? With what goal? I can think of
a) trying the mobile version, and I'm lost! nothing works as in the desktop version! Help!
b) ok, so this mobile version is nice, got my major workflows covered. Now for the details.
c) I'm grumpy and will use desktop version, anyway.
d) I think I got the page for plugins, already ;) https://chmeee.org/#planets.nu/OtherPlugins

(b) the mobile version is receiving more and more warnings for ships that do odd things. Replacing bits and pieces from the Improved Ship List plugin. Nice; who will it convince? How many small features will bring someone over?

(a/b/c) when using a touch screen, mobile version is much more usable, because you can tap, instead of doing all those mouse clicks. My laptop has a touch screen, and I find myself using the touchPAD practically never. I do not carry a mouse. So you will not convince e.g. @escogido.

112 days, 4 hours, 54 minutes ago

mcnimble

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@donaldworrell your HW should be centered when opening the first turn.

Also, I believe you are currently in category (c), with only a small part of you wanting to move to (a). That's OK, btw; but do correct me if I'm wrong.

112 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Mcnimble I was thinking a few videos: Ships, Planets/Starbases, Starmap. Shorter ones like the series Joshua did with the building a fleet in 25 turns.

112 days, 4 hours, 50 minutes ago

lasnex

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I love you guys. You make me feel young at nearly 40. You can't figure out this newfangled interface thing that requires clicking with the mouse and not just pressing a key on the keyboard. Sounds like a DOS vs windows argument. If you want to use the old interface use the old interface. I was just asking if there are any features from the old interface that should be added to the new interface. It sounds like total ship mass would be helpful.

112 days, 4 hours, 25 minutes ago

qinic

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

^ Well that and some form of tax add-on. I think the rest for me is just getting used to the icons.

112 days, 3 hours, 32 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Lasnex

if you feel younger, enjoy it.

If you ask whats missing (I copied from my message yesterday)

current position
position next turn (in x/y for communication not visual on the map)
current mass of the ship

I am missing the ability to set the same waypoint for all my ships at the current position and to set the same speed.

112 days, 2 hours, 51 minutes ago

lasnex

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Thanks Frostriese. I can find current position and next turn position from the new client so I’m not worried about those. It isn’t a simple copy paste and it is much easier on the desktop than on a phone, but it is there. Setting all ships to one waypoint is nice but I’m not overly worried about functionality, just missing data. I’m limiting the number of games I play so I have plenty of time for extra clicks.

112 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Lasnex: Thanks for the generous ignorance of my points - thankfully the admins are more considerate.

*unsubscribed*

112 days, 0 hours, 20 minutes ago

lasnex

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Wow, @Frostriese got angry fast. I was asking him to clarify his statement "the new UI doesn't show all the needed data to coordinate with other players" and as far as I can tell the only missing DATA is ship mass. I was trying to avoid the entire conversation about functionality as that is very motivated by personal preference and I think there is a distinction. Maybe he doesn't feel the same way.

111 days, 23 hours, 38 minutes ago

sbor

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Lasnex: have you seen that the old UI displays the position and waypoint coordinates as numbers that can be used with copy and waste? That is quite helpful when composing a message to your ally.

111 days, 20 hours, 8 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Talespin- I want to see a list of planets just like the old dashboard. Then the question is how do you move to the next planet ? I do my planets from first to last each turn. Now I have figured out what a lot of my confusion is. Joshua loves to use those check arks to turn planets off so he does not have to look at them ever turn, therefore that is the default in the new interface. I cone along and say wtf where is my list of planets.

111 days, 19 hours, 39 minutes ago

kelmain

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Call it grumpy if you will, but some (maybe most) of us play this game to relax and stay in touch with the past. If we wanted a game that evolved or was "modern" we'd move on to a modern game (which this isn't ever going to be no matter how much lipstick you glom on it). The quirky mechanics and visuals are part of the charm and changing or obscuring them just takes away from the experience.

111 days, 19 hours, 32 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Yes, you're all a bunch of grumpy pants. :)

111 days, 19 hours, 26 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Talespin - any videos you want to make are very welcome and we may post some of them to our YouTube channel. The tool I like to use to make videos quick and easy (and share them) is https://www.loom.com - there is an easy to use browser plugin.

111 days, 19 hours, 26 minutes ago

lunchmoney

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

It's because we're all old and the new interception is too small too read...

111 days, 12 hours, 25 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

I give up. I have a test game and have lost the starting planet under the new interface. I can not find the thing on the star map nor can I figure out how to get to the dashboard. How do you find you planet.

111 days, 12 hours, 11 minutes ago

mcnimble

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@donaldworrell I have managed to lose the map when selecting an object, moving the map a lot, and then pinch-zooming. Rotating a phone or tablet can do weird things with centering, too.

But there has always been the '^' in the top right to go to the desktop, and select an object as in the desktop version.

Just checking: are you using plugins? Some (mine included) might do weird things.

111 days, 12 hours, 5 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

No plug ins just an iPhone 5. That ^ thing is not there only a thing at the bottom. Three lines and all it does is bring up a banner saying end turn.

111 days, 11 hours, 6 minutes ago

mcnimble

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

Thought this was supported on apple devices?

Maybe you found a bug.

"Three lines" if together are roughly square, it means "Menu", but as hypothesis go... I have not seen that icon at NU, anywhere.

screenshot?

111 days, 10 hours, 28 minutes ago

talespin

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

@Donaldworrell Oh...you're on an iphone! I've never used the new version on a cellphone, so no wonder we are speaking different languages. :)

111 days, 10 hours, 2 minutes ago

mursu

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

The game works well on iPhone with these instructions:
http://play.planets.nu/#/post/how-to-play-in-full-screen-mode-on-your-phone

Of course I wouldn't even think about using such a small screen except for emergency situations, but it works fine in that regard.

111 days, 7 hours, 24 minutes ago

otto

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

From my point of view the new client is usable, but not better when playing with a reasonable large display. The new client is better when playing with small displays like mobile phones, but playing plantes with a mobile is horrible anyway.

The main big disadvantage for me is that most plugins still don't work with the new client any probably will never work, because they were written by players that aren't active anymore.

As long as the plugins don't work, I won't use the new client. If they worked, I would actually switch.

But the best client ever is a was Echoview anyway. I so much miss the turn preview...

111 days, 5 hours, 55 minutes ago

sala

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

"Is it not possible to make the client detect the screen resolution/screen size of the user,
and allow full data to be revealed for bigger screens ?"

From Dines.

I, myself realize the new UI is strictly a mobile version and I am saddened to know that one day desktop version will be gone. I play space strategy games at home or vacation, not during the the day on my phone, while working or managing daily responsibilities and socially interacting.

110 days, 19 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: How do I access the OLD version of the client software? I...

First the suggestion to ""add to home screen" must only be an android feature.

Second is there any where a how to article for the new version that shows all the new icons and what they are suppose to be !