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1246 days, 3 hours, 32 minutes ago

obazda

i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two ships start from the same position. could someone please send a link to the calculator for this?

i think all those extra rules are a bit difficult to find. don't misunderstand me, it is nice to have some extra rules, but it should be fair in terms of that they are accessable also to new players. so for example in this case, there should be an in game info (for example an extra button where i can see the points that are non interceptable from my ships view). the game gives too much advantage for experienced players in terms of "hidden knowledge".

another example are the 4 points in the warpwell that don't drag a HYP jumper onto warp well. and i bet there are hundrets more.

1246 days, 3 hours, 22 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Here is a link for the hyper jumping in the how to play section.

http://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/hyperjumping

The documenting team are trying to improve the documentation and its infinitely better than a year or so ago.

Others will have to explain your non interceptable way points as I don't know what you mean.

1246 days, 3 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Here is a link for intercept

http://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/intercept-mission

Unless you mean ship number as explained in the link?

If the two ships at the same point and the one that is intercepting is a lower ship number the that ship cannot intercept that ship as it will intercept the ship that has not moved and then that ship will move away.

So do not try and intercept ships that are a higher ship number.

1246 days, 3 hours, 0 minutes ago

obazda

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Hello Martinr.
thanks for the link to the Hyperjumping documentation.
I see the documentation is huge. Is it planned to add a search option there, too?

about the non intercepting points. maybe it is just rumors, but i thought a friend once mentioned that there are 4 or 8 points >81 LY that can't be intercepted when one ship sets the waypoint there.

If this is really existing and this knowledge hasn't spread i think the ones who know this are keeping it secret in order to gain unfair advantage by knowledge that is hidden. and this is what is both annoying but also nice in planets, the many specials it has, but they should be added to the documentation then. an maybe marked as special rules or something, so that you can browse all special rules at once (or add all special rules to one huge list).

1246 days, 2 hours, 56 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Obazda: http://help.planets.nu Search box in top right corner.

1246 days, 2 hours, 43 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Obazda: Some things are on purpose being left out of Documentation... Crystalline concentric minefield layng for example, and most algorithms are not provided at all.

I'll eventually overhaul the http://www.vgaplanets.org wiki so we have all the information in one place.

As for the non-interceptable waypoints, no, that is not true.

1246 days, 2 hours, 38 minutes ago

obazda

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Glyn, i found it (google helped but it took a while)

http://vgaplanets.org/index.php/Planets_Nu_Tools#marklein.27s_Intercept_Avoidance_Navigator

As you and Martinr are obviously more experienced players, and you also didn't know about this, i really suggest, that in the documentation pages, there should be an extra chapter for all those tricks.

another thing i just read in the Forum is about the Helsinky meeting, where it was found out that Starbases without beams can attack carriers better then with beams. things like this should be added to some tactic hint site.

1246 days, 2 hours, 33 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

I was looking for this old but very detailed article from Stefan Reuther

http://www.phost.de/~stefan/movement.html

but I see things have progressed from there... I didn't know about the existence of Marklein Intercept Avoidance Navigator!

This is the problem with the lackness of a good FAQ and/or a good forum with sticky posts... historical information that SHOULD be consolidated since many years continue to have to be re-discovered again and again...

1246 days, 1 hours, 12 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Obazda: Oh yeah, MJS68508 used to mention his spreadsheet for that all the time... kinda surprised I forgot this.

I'm adding it to the collection of useful links in my profile description.

1246 days, 0 hours, 54 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

I've now confirmed that this does in fact work for avoiding Intercepts.

1246 days, 0 hours, 53 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

since intercept is the computers setting the path to target, the question then becomes will the ( intercept )computer (coarse to target) make target point at 81.5 with 100% accuracy , my guess no, am testing now

1246 days, 0 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

when the edges are pushed , dont think its 100 %, but im guessing

1246 days, 0 hours, 47 minutes ago

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Not sure if it will work in Sphere Sectors when crossing over... and I'll let someone else figure that out.

1246 days, 0 hours, 38 minutes ago

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ive been using that as a possible to bring enemy to planet while chasing

1245 days, 21 hours, 40 minutes ago

xeren

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Obazda : Thank you for bringing this to the forefront. I have seen the rounding errors happen before in-game, but was unaware that it could be deliberately and strategically reproduced. The universe is indeed a strange and mysterious place...

1245 days, 21 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Thank you for the link, Obazda!
I was aware of this in theory, but never actually had to use it in practice.
[ It appears that I am mostly the interceptor, not the intercepted ;-)
Or I have gravitonic accelerators – and for those rare occasions where two ga ships chase each other, I see that Stefan has this covered as well: http://www.phost.de/~stefan/movement.html ]

1245 days, 20 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Obazda,

> the 4 points in the warpwell that don't drag a HYP jumper onto warp well

Actually, I believe there are more than 4, but this will have to be verified by experimentation. I believe this would be best described by the use of an image of the warpwell. It's certainly a useful task.

The link to the current documentation has already been provided. The above described image would be right at home in that page.

@Glyn,

> most algorithms are not provided at all

This changes as we get time. There are a LOT of algorithms, and we try to verify their validity before/during the documentation. At this time, I'm the only editor who's working on this sort of task, and I have other tasks as well.

FYI, the algorithm task I'm working on right now is ship movement. Unfortunately I have to work around some bugs in the editing interface for this one.

> Crystalline concentric minefield layng

The game features involved are covered in the minefields page. As this is a tactic, the details on how to actually do it belong in a guide, not in the core documentation. If someone wants to write such a guide, we'd be happy to host it. I don't have the time right now.

http://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/minefields

> I'll eventually overhaul ...

I suggest you be careful there. I'm not averse to sending out takedown notices. Thin wouldn't like it if you caused his website (hosted in the US) to disappear, even for just a day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notice_and_take_down

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WRT Guides:

There are a LOT of guides out there on VGAP. Most of them have some application to Planets.nu, but most also aren't entirely correct here. I'd like to build up a set of guides that are specific to Planets.nu. In addition, I'd like to see guides that cover single topics of a race, instead of the all-encompassing guides that were frequently published for VGAP.

WRT documentation issues, or finding information in the documents, please use the "Documentation Editing Thread". This changes from time to time, but the current one is here - http://planets.nu/#/activity/2344164

1245 days, 20 hours, 19 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

> Actually, I believe there are more than 4, but this will have to be verified by experimentation.

I just did the experiment. There are only four squares in the warp well that won't pull a HyperDrive ship to the planet (From the documentation, I didn't think that the 2.8LY corners would pull you in). We now have the Planets.nu verified information needed to create an image that should clarify the documentation.

1245 days, 18 hours, 52 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Whisperer: I've already explained before that vgaplanets.org is Canadian and exempt from copyright due to Canada's Fair Dealing law allowing full reproduction of content for educational purposes. You will get in trouble for submitting a takedown notice without first checking if the content meets Fair Use / Fair Dealing laws of the host country.

And we've already done this song and dance twice already, and Rbos is the owner, not Thin Lizzy. I'll follow whatever vision Rbos has for vgaplanets.org , and continue to ignore your opinion.

1245 days, 17 hours, 38 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

thanks to any an all that gaurd our ability to play

1245 days, 17 hours, 27 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

For what it's worth: Any content of mine to which I hold the copyright is only available by permission -- but I give permission gladly in exchange for proper credit (in most cases). I have never once sued anyone for quoting me. As a result, I now have three popular (in book circles) internet memes based on quotes from my one book.

Speaking in my capacity as an editor for the Documentation: We have certain standards here that don't apply to independent sites. For example, we've got some copyright restrictions which we follow religiously. The subjective is avoided (with more or less success) and anything not confirmed is ignored. There are a few other things.

Quite a while ago, the decision was made to link to external guides rather than copy the information. Likewise, many cornercase tactics, documented elsewhere, are considered to add more confusion than clarity when added to the documentation proper. As a result, we'll occasionally post them in the Guides section, but for the most part we continue to just link to whatever external site presently hosts them.

To that end: Planets Magazine still accepts submissions. If you can't get through to an editor, contact me and I'll help if I can.

1245 days, 15 hours, 37 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Can somebody link to a page with the HYP/warpwell info? This is of interest to me. THX.

1245 days, 15 hours, 8 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Here ya go: http://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/warp-wells

1245 days, 8 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

I just added an image to both the Hyperjump and Warp Well pages to better show how it works.

http://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/hyperjumping
http://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/warp-wells

1245 days, 7 hours, 17 minutes ago

celestial

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Regarding the Hyperjumping page: The image looks great. -I wasn't previously aware of these four safe points.

I suggest that the third paragraph doesn't quite make sense.

>If a starship performs a Hyperjump that intersects with a star cluster's radiation radiation halo will experience crew death due to radiation, as though they were in normal space.

1245 days, 7 hours, 2 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

On it already. Some sort of odd cross-editing thing, I'd guess.

1245 days, 5 hours, 59 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Celestial,

> I suggest that the third paragraph doesn't quite make sense

Please remember that we're editing raw HTML here. Some strangeness will sometimes leak in and not be spotted. We try to catch them all, but we're still human.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention. I believe Gnerphk, as our resident expert in spelling & grammar will look at it when he gets a chance.

1245 days, 5 hours, 52 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

> I wasn't previously aware of these four safe points

Neither was I (I play Crystals and Robots). Obazda pointed us to them, I verified them, then I created the image to make it as clear as possible. Any suggestions on how to improve the image are appreciated. That image was created in Paint.

1245 days, 5 hours, 37 minutes ago

obazda

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Thank you for the details on the HYP points, i like the documentation alot and it gives huge information.

One thing, that i would like to know: is there any collection of tricks and tactics that are not obvious by just reading the docu? For example the topic about the maxed starbase vs. carriers that have a better chance if they are not equipped with with beams (ie, they have 0 planetary defense posts) etc...

another would be the above mentioned non-interceptable escape points and i guess there are tons of them which will be asked all over again as ecatoncheries already said.

1245 days, 4 hours, 45 minutes ago

celestial

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Regarding the image: The colors negate any need to grey or dim the lines outside of the WW, whilst clearly depicting what is described in the text. I can't see how the image could be improved.

Proof, that Paint is still a very useful tool.
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Paragraph three has indeed been corrected.

As a frequent user of the documentation, I'd like to express my thanks to the editing team. The documentation here, is being molded into a thing of beauty.

1245 days, 4 hours, 45 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Obazda,
The "Other Useful Websites" section has some good links for that:
http://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/links

1244 days, 21 hours, 57 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

> The "Other Useful Websites" section has some good links

It does, but most of them are general in nature. We haven't taken the time to put in links to specific docs, other than the VGAP calculator.

I just made a minor organizational change to that page, and it can now accept specific pages more easily.

1244 days, 21 hours, 28 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Obazda,

> is there any collection of tricks and tactics that are not obvious by just reading the docu

That would be a Guide, not a Document. At this time, I don't know of any, but I believe we'd be willing to host one if someone were to write it.

@Celestial,

> Paint is still a very useful tool

For some things, I believe it's the best tool for the job. If needed, I have Photoshop available, but I prefer to keep things simple.

> The documentation here, is being molded into a thing of beauty.

On behalf of the Editors, I thank you for these kind remarks. It's much better than what we get from people who believe they can steal our hard work.

@Gnerphk,

> Any content of mine to which I hold the copyright is only available by permission

As do I.

> but I give permission gladly in exchange for proper credit (in most cases).

I usually do as well, but not to a competing website, or one that no longer serves a useful purpose.

> I have never once sued anyone for quoting me.

I haven't either, but I once sent 3Ware a request to either give me credit for a page the copied from my website, or remove it from theirs. They chose to remove/rewrite it.

@Glyn,

> I'll follow whatever vision Rbos has for vgaplanets.org

I believe that's the wisest statement I've ever seen from you.

1244 days, 21 hours, 14 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Obazda:

PlanetsMagazine.com has a pile of useful tips and tricks. It's not perfect, but it's pretty good. There are articles there on everything from early economic development through advanced towing and minelaying tactics. You could be months reading it all, and it's organized.

1244 days, 20 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

I've found 'tricks and tips' from this feed, from viewing top players finished games (a great tool!), but mostly from my opponents and allies during games. I keep a file of these handy, and it's always growing...a testament to what a truly complex and epic game this is.

1244 days, 20 hours, 11 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

okay dont tell any body but hears the real truth
we as a species posses certain innate talents valued by other species in our universe especially the( what if) part of our thought process
this in itself is a valuable part of intergalatic warefare an one of these species has taken a veiw of us an secretly sent team down to start a human training for just that purpose lol lol, I skipped the grammer typing an spelling part

1244 days, 17 hours, 7 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Whisperer: Oh, btw... "Joshua: Great idea rbos. I fully support it!"

http://planets.nu/discussion/vgap3-wiki

We all would appreciate you checking your ego at the door.

1244 days, 17 hours, 0 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Obazda: Well Donovans had a page for that; http://www.donovansvgap.com/info/undocumented.htm

Most are in Documentation, or no longer true like; "Minimal range of Firecloud chunneling is 10 ly, not 100 ly"

1244 days, 16 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

I'm sort of bummed the "intercept avoidance" trick has been revealed fully here... I've used it many time successfully at Nu so I'm sure my success rate at using my trick will go down now.

1244 days, 16 hours, 42 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

I'd like to point out that the "Undocumented" guide referenced above was written by our very own @Siberian+Snake.

1244 days, 16 hours, 37 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Gnerphk: We have Wolfgang here too!

1244 days, 16 hours, 29 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Glyn,

I see you're back to quoting out of context. Apparently you'll do just about anything to support whatever point of view you might happen to have on any given day. That's unfortunate.

In the thread you linked to, the OP (Rbos) referenced VGAP3, not Planets.nu. There are many differences between the two, as any experienced Planets.nu player should know. It's unfortunate that you chose to not actually read the link before you posted it.

For the record, your rights, as a reader of the documentation can be found at: http://planets.nu/#/howtoplay/privacy-policy (section 2).

According to a comment from Gnerphk in the above page, it was imported from the original Planets.nu documentation, without change. As such, I must assume that those are Joshua's wishes for Planets.nu documentation.

1244 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Whisperer: "OP (Rbos) referenced VGAP3, not Planets.nu"

Do you actually think anyone else is going to agree with your logic? At this point it looks like you are arguing for fun or couldn't think of a valid reason and went with bullshitting.

The splash screen has VGA PLANETS NU being displayed btw.

1244 days, 14 hours, 53 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Whisperer: Only because Gnerphk insisted I finish this I will play the rest of my hand;

That thread was from 1775 days ago, back when this was Vgaplanets.nu and obviously version 3.
____

"The VGA Planets "Nu" project will convert the original version 3 game to new web-based technology"

"First off, building VGA Planets is a large and technically challenging project, "

"Check out our website at http://vgaplanets.nu for project updates, "

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/172779664/vga-planets-nu-the-official-remake/description
___

That is why Rbos said, "It might be a little pretentious of me to grab the .org domain."

If you are going to argue, make sure you aren't wrong first.

1244 days, 14 hours, 48 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

> Do you actually think anyone else is going to agree with your logic?

Yes. Any first-year law student would see the difference, which, combined with the Planets.nu AUP I linked to previously, and your stated intent to pirate the documentation, could easily be enough to cause VGAPLANETS.ORG to permanently go away. Somehow, I don't think that would cause Rob Bos to be very happy with you. I have his Surrey, BC address and phone number, if you'd like to check with him.

Regardless of how "right" you believe yourself to be here, a wise person would also consider the possible impact if you happen to be in error. In this case, the cost (the potential loss of the entire VGAPLANETS.ORG website) would be rather high. Of course, since it your personal cost would be nothing, I can see that it would be easy for you to ignore.

Of course, you could just learn how to write documentation, learn about subtlety, and find some creativity in yourself. With those new skills, you wouldn't have to stoop to stealing other peoples work.

> because Gnerphk insisted I finish this

You read what was written, but seriously missed his intent. That's exactly what I've grown to expect from you.

Some people's children :rolleyes:

1244 days, 13 hours, 51 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

in this new language im learning what does btw stand for

1244 days, 13 hours, 50 minutes ago

rkious

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

by the way

1244 days, 13 hours, 49 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

thank you sorry for interupting

1244 days, 13 hours, 2 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

"Whisperer: your stated intent to pirate the documentation"

Liar liar pants on fire.

Pathetic, you realize you've lost so you make up new bullshit and then threaten to doxx Rbos if I don't relent to your commands.

Your ego is truly out of control.

1244 days, 10 hours, 1 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Glyn,

> Liar liar pants on fire.

Did your mommy help you come up with this?

> threaten to doxx Rbos

1. I didn't "threaten" anything. I offered you information, if you wanted it.

2. There was no mention of making that information public.

3. The information I offered to you are address and phone number, which aren't normally considered to be PII.

4. The above information can be retrieved by anyone who has half a clue about how the Internet works.

> you've lost

The only people who stand to lose anything here are you, Rob and the three other people who still use vgaplanets.org, and then only if you're stupid enough to copy what you don't have the skill or mindset to create.

1244 days, 9 hours, 35 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Whisperer: "Did your mommy help you come up with this?"

Yes, she came back to life just to help me come up with a sarcastic one-liner. Even better, you responded to it in a manner I predicted you would... one that makes it clear to anyone else watching that you always resort to insults.

"I didn't "threaten" anything. I offered you information"

Well you did make a threat, that isn't up for debate. But seeing you foolishly assume I don't know how to do a whois lookup, after I had double checked before correcting you about who owns the .org ... I decided since you make up bullshit, so would I.

Side joke: "Well I learned it from watching you Whisperer!!"

I already won the arguement about who knows more about computer technology... course you probably can't remember that far back.

"The only people who stand to lose anything here"

And I already told you filing false copyright notices without checking if that nations Fair Use / Fair Dealing exempts that content will get YOU in trouble.

It already does have the same content on it, so go ahead and do it.

What are you, chicken?

1244 days, 9 hours, 21 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

I've got an idea. Why not exchange emails and continue this lovely and informative conversation in private.

1244 days, 9 hours, 6 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

@Tom+Graves: Outside his constant Rule One violations... I'm also tired of him jumping into every thread to give me grief like he did in this thread repeating the same bullshit he always does.

So I react by doing what he was doing to me, right back at him... although I won't resort to using insults habitually... I like how it makes it clear to anyone watching that he is not a nice person.

I don't want to talk to him, I'd prefer he mind his own business and not lecture me when he is supposed to be working on Documentation Editing. Documentation I'd gladly join to finish with my 'Glyn' account instead of my alt if both Gnerphk and Whisperer didn't threaten to quit if I did.

1244 days, 9 hours, 4 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

Plus this thread has served its original purpose... could get deleted and no one would miss it now.

1244 days, 6 hours, 9 minutes ago

RE: i once read about non interceptable waypoints when two...

There's some good intel in here, not all of which is easily documentable within the standard format. Might be handy to keep it around in case some literate soul becomes inspired to write a modern guide.