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2430 days, 12 hours, 55 minutes ago
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For all those of you who want to show there achievements in a more colourful way. Feel free to use the service ribbons I have created. Below are some examples how you can add them to your profile.




2430 days, 12 hours, 52 minutes ago
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Championship campaign ribbons
For attending the Championship match


                    Scorpius War


                    Taurus War


                  Sagittarius War
2430 days, 12 hours, 44 minutes ago
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Supreme Commander service ribbons
For being assigned as Supreme Commander for a specific race





















2430 days, 12 hours, 38 minutes ago
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Cluster service ribbon
For ending a game at first place with a specific race






















2430 days, 9 hours, 38 minutes ago
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Great going! I wonder if another set of ribbons could be given out to those good allies that helped a team achieve first place? Maybe a "Winning Campaign" ribbon? Just my 2c.
2429 days, 18 hours, 55 minutes ago
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star72066
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Looks good Space - Here is how mine came out - reducing them to 50% - I hope you continue to make more as more ideas come to light. Kinda looks more like a banner than a ribbon but as you can see they look good. Great idea and thank you.

Perhaps officer ribbons for highest rank in a race.  Admiral - Rear Admiral etc.

2429 days, 18 hours, 9 minutes ago
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Yes Spacesquad, if you are open to ideas, then I agree that having a glorious ribbon, not Race specific, for the achievement of being part of the winning team in a team game.  Perhaps a Ribbon for winning team in a 2-player team game, a different Ribbon for winning team in a 3-player team game, etc. up to a six-player team game.  I know I would be proud to display one :).
2429 days, 17 hours, 49 minutes ago
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Star,
you can adjust the size in your profile page, just drag them smaller.
I will not create officers insignia as they are something different as service ribbons. Maybe Joshua will display our rank in another way someday.

Bond,
Team game ribbon will be added soon, it will be known as the "Band of Brothers" :) Band is german for ribbon.


2429 days, 17 hours, 14 minutes ago
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toxis142
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template.bmp

Hope you don't mind but put together a basic template with all of the ribbons. My thought was that if there were some sort of patch/achievement page or section on the profile page it would look something like this. When you earn a specific ribbon you would then see it change from black and white to the color scheme of the ribbons you have made.
2429 days, 11 hours, 8 minutes ago
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Here's a bronze oak leaf cluster for those who need it.  I may one day get around to making silver oak leafs and so forth.

Or do we want something more "spacey"?

Use the oak leaf clusters to denote multiple awards.  So, for instance star would have his lizard victory ribbon with two oak leaf clusters to denote his three 1st place finishes.
2429 days, 1 hours, 45 minutes ago
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You could move in the US Navy awards system where each ribben has room for 3 stars. Bronze meaning 1 award, Silver meaning 5, and Gold meaning 10. 

With the race Icon in the center, you could increase it to 4 stars and place two star slots on either side of the center logo.

Possibly another badge to consider is a survival patch, (completed but not a winner, nor apart of the winning circle.)

Joshua needs to include this into the profile system!
2429 days, 0 hours, 5 minutes ago
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Of course stars would make a bunch more sense.
2428 days, 22 hours, 26 minutes ago
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Thanks to a bout of insomnia, here's some stars to chew on.  They ought to be set to fit nicely on spacesquads ribbons w/o any further resizing.



Bronze star = 1 additional award


  Silver Star = 5 additional awards


  Gold Star = 10 additional awards

Here's some examples of ribbons


For DM when he inevitably decides to enter another Championship.
 

theDuke's 3 Federation Victories





Dines 4 Lizard Victories


DM's 5 Borg Victories


Vepr's 8 Privateer Victories
2428 days, 22 hours, 19 minutes ago
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Spacesquad what do you think of this?
2428 days, 19 hours, 50 minutes ago
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Well if that doesn't scare the begezus out of your opponents, then nothing would. I need to go change into my brown pants just from the examples...

Tom
2428 days, 18 hours, 59 minutes ago
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star72066
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   I've been playing around with some classy additions to the ribbon theme...

2428 days, 17 hours, 38 minutes ago
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these were in spare when creating ranking pictos, feel free to fill them with content :) 



download the zip file here:  empty buttons.zip
image format is png - if you need a psd just drop me a line
2428 days, 17 hours, 25 minutes ago
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and chevrons (right word?) for your profile pictos:



easy to distiguish, good to read in tiny size, stars to leave other symbols open for whatever purpose.

download the zip file will all ranks for each race here:  ranks n races pictographs.zip

enjoy !
2424 days, 16 hours, 38 minutes ago
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Thanks again! Following this thread.
2424 days, 10 hours, 40 minutes ago
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othrym
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Thank you designers for your work! Following this thread.
2423 days, 18 hours, 29 minutes ago
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Lol! Thanks guys for all the work, I'll go about getting ribbons into my profile in a bit, and I actually have time since it's the holidays!
Veldan you seem convinced I'm going to enter another championship game... do you know how much grey hair the first one engendered?
2423 days, 18 hours, 1 minutes ago
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toxis142
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The grey makes you look more....distinguished, I mean after all you are about to be an emperor.
2423 days, 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
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See, I try to tell that to my wife but I'm still in my early 30's... I estimate 10 lbs weight gain due to lost exercise time which she's none too happy about either since I'm very fit. I'm quite confident she wants the game over more than I do in fact...

"Who is this othrym person you're always talking to?! Is it a woman?!"
Yeah we need ribbons. And  some of us need medals.
2423 days, 16 hours, 28 minutes ago
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toxis142
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haha, hell i'm only 25 and i'm starting to see a bit of grey :/ can't imagine how much time you guys spend planning out those turns in the championship games.
2423 days, 16 hours, 20 minutes ago
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At the height of the pirate-borg war for me it was 8-10 hours. Some turns took 12 hours. It was INSANE.
2423 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes ago
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toxis142
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Yea thats a bit ridiculous, not sure I would be able to commit the time necessary to play at that level.
2423 days, 14 hours, 29 minutes ago
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I think you'll find the draw of one more epic campaign to be irresistible.  Maybe not next year, but you'll find it hard to stay away.  I think you're not done with championship games yet.  Nor with Borg championships.
2423 days, 1 hours, 2 minutes ago
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Hey Guys.

Being in the military, I find this idea of ribbons very interesting and a great way to distinguish good players.  I think we should come up with an order of precedence however.  Like with any good ribbon rack, there should be an ordered way to display them.

emperor
supreme commander
race vicrories
campaign pins
misc?

three per row, right to left highest to lowest?

very interesting thread.  too bad you have to make these yourself in MS paint or something similar.

Would be great if these were auto built somehow.
v
2422 days, 22 hours, 8 minutes ago
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WOW DM, 8 - 10 hours per turn.  And you are still married? and able to keep a job?  Congratulations, that deserves a medal my friend.  This is by the way why I will likely never play an Emperor's match game.  I just don't have that much dedication. (and I don't want to gain the 10 lbs either).
2422 days, 20 hours, 8 minutes ago
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looking good, I definitely like the idea that these could be automatically built in the profile somehow!
2422 days, 19 hours, 20 minutes ago
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Hah! Veldan, I'm DONE with borg championship matches. In fact my borg sword goes up on my wall until I get my ass kicked around using another race so sufficiently hard that I feel the need to pull it out.
Vepr, that's end-game borg vs. pirate. I don't know how long othrym's turns were but it's a very particular matchup with very particular difficulties. Once the dust settled it was a "reasonable" 4 hours per turn. ;)
2422 days, 18 hours, 24 minutes ago
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toxis142
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Vepr, I tried to do something along the lines of precedence with all of the ribbons that spacesquad had made. Also added 9 blank slates for the other championship matches, followed by supreme commander, followed by winning as a certain race. some people may not have clicked on the template link though so here is it posted directly on here.

EDIT, deleted the picture as it breaks the lines on the thread. It can still be found here: template.bmp
2422 days, 4 hours, 36 minutes ago
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very nice toxis.   the only thing is that if we are going with the navy system, then the campaign pins go after the personal and unit achievement awards.   strong work!
2421 days, 16 hours, 35 minutes ago
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I think the idea of the use of the ribbons from toxis etc. are according to the use on uniforms. But if the stars are covering the basic ribbon it is hard to see. Maybe it would be better if we use in the profiles spacesquad ribbons with veldans stars and connect them with star72066s idea. Then it would (in my case) look like:



At the top the special events (here: taurus championship playing as privateer), then extra lines for the races where one got 1st place game wins with stars according to veldan's idea.
And DM would need some golden stars from spacesquad in the taurus ribbon for his win.
2421 days, 15 hours, 40 minutes ago
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The stars could be 20% translucent to make them less difficult to see through.
2421 days, 12 hours, 39 minutes ago
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I was thinking of something like a "V" device to represent victory for the campaign ribbons, or a golden wreath/border to represent a victory.  Travelling right now so no time to google one up and put it in.  Maybe next week.
2421 days, 4 hours, 19 minutes ago
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V device usually denotes valor.  i like the gold border Idea.  Or maybe the victor gets the gold version of the campaign symbol with some kind of wreath surrounding it.  And there should be a separate emperor pin.
2421 days, 2 hours, 19 minutes ago
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+1 for the golden border
2420 days, 15 hours, 18 minutes ago
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Hi DM, heres your ribbon,
let me know if you want me to remove the golden border.


2420 days, 15 hours, 15 minutes ago
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Nice!
2420 days, 7 hours, 59 minutes ago
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Thanks spacesquad! Do I wear it only while emperor, that is until you depose me in a month or so?
I will add these in sometime soon!
2419 days, 3 hours, 1 minutes ago
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One interesting comment.

in the US navy system for personal awards, every subsequent award is denoted by a gold star.  a silver star signifies 5 awards. 

little bronze stars are usually reserved for campaign ribbons.

should we standardize this and post it on wiki?

http://www.homeofheroes.com/medals/ribbons/1_devices.html
2418 days, 21 hours, 44 minutes ago
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SECNAVINST 1650.1.H is the current Naval instruction for award procedures. It is a lengthy read, but anyone non-military (or Navy/USMC) can quickly pick up the key small things by reading the bulk of the first section and a few service and personnel pins/ribbons. 

Normally the stars are delegated as Vepr stated. But, how many games you have played in a race as for campaign service ribbon/medal. The max amount to be earned would be 16 awards. Which would be denoted by the ribbon/medal and 3 silver stars. I myself have completed 11-12 bird games. And I'm in 3 right now. So here by summer of next year at my current rate I would be maxed out. Not to say I'm greedy and want to be recognized for my awesome use of free time. But if the award was for making 1st place. There could be equal stress from people due to a more significant award unable to be presented. This is why I mentioned non-conformity with Bronze value of one, Silver value of five, and Gold value of 10. We could also note a platinum star for 30 awards lifting the maximum viewable award value of 91. Which would take someone practically a decade to accomplish in campaign medals alone. And that's assuming they are moving at my pace of around 10 completed games per year. 

Other things to note is regulations on awards for replacement players. I should not be able to earn an award for joining into a game with less than 20 turns remaining and perhaps having little to no impact on the outcome of the game. Especially if the player ended up first. As then good players could sell better stats by simply selling the seat prior to completion. 

Pins should be standardized for all races. All of them are different cultures. As annoying and time consuming it is to likely produce these ribbons. Each race set should have their own awards look eventually. 

There should also be medals for personal awards. Such as destroying a certain amount of tonnage in a single game. Or the capture of so many tons of vessel by the end (excluding or inflated for priv/crystal). Perhaps even "best in spirit" awards like those voted on for championship matches to give reason to be sociable and somewhat enjoyable to the character you desire to emulate.

There should be a large variety of things to be exemplified. The larger the variety, the more it can actually change the game. By adding a award system for specific combat models people may occasionally abandon certain methods at certain times in order to qualify for certain medals. Which adds to the game as a person adapting their gameplay not for the sake of winning but for the decorations. Giving more satisfaction then just winning.

2418 days, 18 hours, 43 minutes ago
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Mycroft,

The ribbons are for finishing first with a race, not for completing a campaign.  so a maximum of 16 (5 silver stars) would be a huge accomplishment. there is nobody on this site that is even remotely close to that number.  we could have a lower ranked finished a campaign type ribbon, which would be on the category of "showed up and did a tour" ribbons.  such as for example, for going to afghanistan, you get an afghanistan campaign pin just for showing up, but if you distinguish yourself, then you get a personal award. 

so i propose that we keep the navy system for the current race ribbons with the gold and silver stars. if someone exceeds 16 wins with a particular race, then maybe we can introduce another device to denote that.

for just playing to completion, there should be another one, where we can use bronze stars, as well. 

in general though in the military, silver outranks gold when it comes to any kind of devices.

anyone care to design one that means participation but not win?  if you win, you get both a participation one and a winning one for that race.  if you just finish, you get both.

the rule could be that you need to be in a game for at least 20 turns to get the finished ribbon.

thoughts?
2416 days, 18 hours, 29 minutes ago
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Yeah I understand that outright victory is a difficult thing. And costs a lot of time and dedication. Those who do usually win like that rarely play many games at once and focus exclusively on victory. 

I do think ribbons would be kind of dry if it was limited to 12 possible ribbons. Yes their value would be very significant. However, with minor ribbons for participation gives more motivation to the junior after they play for a year and have something rather than possibly nothing. Any addition should be met with reasonable goals that can be met with all levels of skill and ability. 

To be honest I have only really won one game. All the rest I get fairly close but not quite. Or dead. Again, I don't want to scream and cry that I am not getting anything. But to limit awards for the cream of the site will likely cause others to get disappointed with their history. 

However to cause an award to be given for extraordinary economical or whatever focus would be difficult. As someone would have to observe every move to look for genius skills in play. That would be a nightmare to dig through games like that without end. But opening them up to participation awards. Time spent as a premium member. Achieving X amounts of tonnage sunk a game. Or planets maintained at the end. Or games survived even.
2416 days, 13 hours, 46 minutes ago
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My 2 cents would be to keep the 1st place awards distinct looking. I agree awards should be given for allies on the winning team, or for other worthy accomplishments, but make them look different. Possibly a round shaped award. After all, if these lesser accomplishments are given awards of the same shape and size as a winning ribbon wouldn't it diminish the value of the larger award?
2416 days, 12 hours, 51 minutes ago
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People should definitely always vie for 1st place, even within an alliance in a "normal" game. Team games should be the time and place where your goals should be to make the team work and win at all costs including your own personal standing at game's conclusion. If you're not always playing for 1st place, someone else is likely playing you, so to speak.
Mycroft, I don't think you should be disappointed at your history that you rarely come in 1st but medals and pennants should be reserved for those occasions. Otherwise like tom says, diminishes the value of the medal.  There are many players on this site with too much pride that don't finish the games they start to keep their defeats "off the record" and so what your record speaks to is tenacity, that has value all on it's own.

So looking over the thread, I am not sure how to order my own ribbons? How do we get consensus on this? Do we even need consensus? It's spacesquad's brainchild perhaps space you should decide on all the heraldry details?

The golden border is fine :P
2416 days, 11 hours, 19 minutes ago
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Thanks for the props up, again I'm not one to snivel or be disappointed because of my near misses or utter flops. Considering I am beginning my second year of VGA. And due to the complexity of the game and the difficulty the Romulans present in battle. I am satisfied with my history.

I  basically stating that this is a difficult and complex game. There are hundreds of minor mistakes and errors that can easily change the entire outcome of things. Miscommunication, ally error, dropping players, failure to save input to client, etc etc. I just see that it is important to have a variety of medals so those that do play and rarely end up winning don't gain a reason to avoid playing or just quit. Just as DM has won the first championship match, he could pick the race he considers himself worst at and still imbue a certain level of awe just because he is in the game to newer players. 

The medals could look different, I would suggest for the profile all the awards be like looking at the chest devices of any military service member. And then having a awards page that goes more in depth for each award. Where you can see a small excerpt about the creteria needed to be awarded as well as the match the player earned the award. The ribbons could there be seperates into medals rather than ribbons. And the medals are truly what set military devices appart. A Navy Cross looks much more aweful than a Good Conduct Medal. And you could even dress it up as some members do for certain dress uniforms where the average ribbons are worn as ribbons. And the higher value ones are worn on the other side of the chest as medals to bring more attention to them. A similar thing could be done on our profiles with medals to the right of our profile picture and ribbons to the left. With the profile picture being centered and to the top. And one could choose to dress down their medals and just show ribbons. For some people it's about the awards for some it's about getting things done.

It would also be kind of neat to have a forum section for awards for players who achieve moderate to higher value awards. As well as nominations for certain players to earn awards for various acts of handiness. Like freelance programmers, tutoring and being generally awesome. 


2416 days, 11 hours, 15 minutes ago
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Also I don't think the Borg should have any awards since they are all mindlessly serving the hive mind anyways. So acts of personal heroism are commanded rather than occur out of selflessness!

Jk lol
1970 days, 0 hours, 36 minutes ago
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Any suggestions how to use this with the new profile system? Just the avatar?

It would look good within each of the officers or even as a summary of a player profile.