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810 days, 16 hours, 39 minutes ago
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big beefer
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VCRs now shared across Share Intel relations.

We've gotten a lot of questions about it recently, but this was an intentional change and not a bug. From now on, you will share your VCRs with any player you are sharing intel with.
810 days, 16 hours, 14 minutes ago
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bediju
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Thank you for all the work you do
big beefer, and for your role in introducing new members and your general role as a true Integrator for the community :)

I for one appreciate the change, that VCRs now are shared across 'Share Intel' relations.

Sincerely bediju
810 days, 15 hours, 28 minutes ago
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kelmain
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So, does that mean just 1st party sharing or third party sharing as well when there is more than one SI set? This kind of a major change to the intel side of the game would have been nice to know about in advance.
810 days, 15 hours, 10 minutes ago
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olegboleg
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thanks for the update. And "what @Bediju said"

but also what @kelmain said. :)

most importantly, this will be like SI. No "trasnsharing" , right?
A and B have SI
B and C have SI

but A and C wont see each others VCRs, yes?
810 days, 14 hours, 24 minutes ago
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emork the lizard king
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I personally don't mind the change because I enjoy watching VCRs and it saves time. You don’t have to inform your SI partner about battle outcomes (damage, ammunition left and so).
But it’s a relevant change especially for the ones who do devious diplomacy. Up to now it was possible to give false information to a share intel partner about your battles, e.g. pretend the hand over of a ship hand was a ship capturing. It would be better to announce such changes before they become effective so that the affected players can react.

I share Oleg's hope that this information sharing is not transitive.
810 days, 14 hours, 19 minutes ago
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I can confirm in my game Achernar Sector, that my ally sees VCR's from another race he shares intel with, yet I do not see those VCR's, just my allies. So I don't think there is any bleeding in the VCR's.

I like the new feature. If it hasn't yet, it should be added to the help docs for diplomacy setting "Share Intel".
810 days, 14 hours, 8 minutes ago
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belisarius
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A significant improvement
810 days, 14 hours, 1 minutes ago
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bediju
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Hi olegboleg :)

I think that 'Share Intel' is transitive so effectively, if

A and B have SI
B and C have SI,

then we have always had the situation where effectively

A and C have the effects of 'Share Intel'.

So one could never be chevalier about and take lightly 'Share Intel' agreements as ones enemies could incidentally benefit from those.

BUT there is (however also) reciprocity, so

one will also benefit from more info relating to the enemy;

and IF ones looks closely, then one will realise, that one sees 'too much' and thus will be able to deduce, that transitivity of 'Share Intel' indeed is in play.

BUT in the past VCR were for Full Alliance only;

but with these VCRs being now available already at 'Share Intel',

then these will be,

and indeed I have already seen that they are,

also Transitivity.

Personally I am sort of fine with that, as logically 'B' functions as a relying hub,

relaying information to his other 'Share Intel' associates, what he learns in relations, that they are NOT per say themselves a part of and pur-view to.

I may misinterpret this, but it seems to me, from your question olegboleg,

that you not only did NOT expect this, but that you quite possibly disagree with this choice;

which, if that is the case, I totally respect.

But this is to the extend of my understanding the lay of land 'as is' for now.

Sincerely bediju
810 days, 13 hours, 56 minutes ago
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olegboleg
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Share Intel is not transetive. :)
At least it wasnt until now, hence my question.
810 days, 13 hours, 18 minutes ago
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qinic
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@Olegboleg, not as such but I had bleeding through especially from Dark Sense.

Love the change though, agree though announcement would have been good on principle, not that it effected me in my current games. This will be epic in big alliance games.


810 days, 13 hours, 13 minutes ago
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ficklid
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It was a pleasant surprise, but thought it a glitch. Thanks for clearing that up! Saves having to bug my Share Intel partners for info on ships.
810 days, 12 hours, 53 minutes ago
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coen1970
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Question: will your own intel keep track of all shown enemy ships (that survive) if you see them later on the map? And will that be dependent on SI to be still active?
810 days, 12 hours, 42 minutes ago
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dimensia
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One thing that would be nice is if the VCRs were broken out by race so i can more easily distinguish my own vcrs from my allies.
810 days, 12 hours, 37 minutes ago
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qinic
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@Dimensia I would have thought they would be in the order they happened, watching them out of sequence might not be desired in a multi race battle